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Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

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Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#91
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the Zodiac killer is recent enough for uncovering their identity to feel sort of feasible. That said, I personally find the idea of it being Ted Cruz so amusing that I see little reason to amend my head-canon, regardless of evidence presented.

I’m honestly so tired of hearing this lame conspiracy theory/in-joke. It’s so dumb and trollish and barely funny, all it does is give ammo to repubs who think dems are wackadoos. Fellow dems, this ain’t it.

That's cool and all, but I personally enjoy it because of Ted's personality specifically, not his specific political affiliation. And also who cares? It's clearly a joke, one that happens to appeal to my particular sense of humor.

There are oodles of topics that provide plenty of political ammunition, but anybody who takes this one seriously is an idiot.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#92
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What they meant is wrong. I can consult Merriam Webster, which agrees with what I said. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/circumstantial%20... Or Britannica https://www.britannica.com/topic/circumstantial-evidence Or Cornell https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/circumstantial_evidence Or basically any single law firm or courthouse https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/legal-defenses/circumst... https://www.ojp.gov…

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/circumstantial 1. belonging to, consisting in, or dependent on circumstances 2. pertinent but not essential : incidental The original comment used the word correctly. Because dictionaries describe how people actually speak, not prescribe rules on how to use words. That's why they get updated every so often as word usages change.

> how people actually speak

To counter that point, "circumstantial" has a legal meaning that does not change as easily.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#93
post #40

The "investigators" mentioned are The Case Breakers, described (on their website) as "The elite team that's solving our greatest mysteries". No mention of their actual credentials or accomplishments.

That’s because they’re still solving them.

;)

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#94
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the Zodiac killer is recent enough for uncovering their identity to feel sort of feasible. That said, I personally find the idea of it being Ted Cruz so amusing that I see little reason to amend my head-canon, regardless of evidence presented.

> my head cannon The phrase you're thinking of is "headcanon" (cf. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canon ), although "head cannon" evokes a much funnier mental image.

Despite knowing it was the same base as canonical, it somehow never occurred to me to spell it that way. Thanks for the heads up, but since google hasn't decided it approves of "headcanon" I was forced to compromise in my correction.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#95
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m honestly so tired of hearing this lame conspiracy theory/in-joke. It’s so dumb and trollish and barely funny, all it does is give ammo to repubs who think dems are wackadoos. Fellow dems, this ain’t it.

That's cool and all, but I personally enjoy it because of Ted's personality specifically, not his specific political affiliation. And also who cares? It's clearly a joke, one that happens to appeal to my particular sense of humor. There are oodles of topics that provide plenty of political ammunition, but anybody who takes this one seriously is an idiot.

Sorry, but I just recently watched a crowd of angry trolls sell memes and Internet in-jokes as facts to droves of angry Facebook users, and then they combined forces to elect a fascist. I no longer believe this kind of crap is inconsequential.

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#96
post #8

I feel like at least twice a year, there is some story like "Zodiac Killer Finally Identified" or "DB Cooper Finally Found". And behind these stories is usually just one person or group of people who are presenting their pet theory (which highlighted all facts supporting it, and conveniently brushes aside all facts which don't) and have savy media contacts so are able to get media exposure to help promote what's freq…

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Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#97
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know what circumstantial means? It doesn't mean "weak". It means "pertaining to circumstances". Nearly all evidence is circumstantial. DNA is circumstantial evidence. Fingerprints are circumstantial evidence. A smoking gun is circumstantial evidence. Trials are based on circumstantial evidence. Hans Reiser was arrested, tried, and convicted of murdering his wife based on nothing but circumstantial evidence tha…

Usually when a particular interpretation of a word renders it utterly meaningless then that interpretation is not the correct one. In particular circumstantial can mean 'pertaining to circumstance' or it can be one of several other meanings derived from the same root. One of which is its noun form "Something incidental to the main subject, but of less importance", which sounds like a more reasonable interpretation. O…

I've been looking for an appropriate context to refer to a recently new-found word, to wit "polysemy". Is this it?

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#98
Now that we have maybe identified somebody who killed, what, 37 people?, let's start identifying individuals responsible for millions of more horrendous deaths, often drawn out over months of suffering, and maybe try to stop them.

The guys who first put lead in gasoline are long dead already. There were people who fought getting it out of the gasoline, and they are mostly dead, by now, too. Likewise, leaded paint. That was banned in 1978. Thousands of people are still being killed by paint exposure, though, many indirectly by violent tendencies induced by lead paint exposure, which people still experience, by the millions, every day.

Lots of people fought tooth and nail to keep people in doubt about tobacco smoke causing lung cancer. They are mostly dead. The top academic in statistics was one of those, and was personally responsible for decades of denial that observational study could determine causation, fetishizing random-controlled trials, RCTs. (RCTs are great, but anybody who insists that only RCTs can demonstrate causation is a fetishist.) He's dead too, but his legacy lives on, still killing people en mass.

The people who started hydrogenating vegetable oils, starting with waste cottonseed oil, are long dead. But trans fats, produced by hydrogenation, were only (technically) banned from the US diet in 2017. That was an outcome of Fred Kummerow's entire career: he knew in the '50s that trans fats were poison, and worked for decades to get them banned. He died in 2016. I say "technically" because certain corporations have special dispensation to continue poisoning people. Maybe, catch them? Maybe, catch whoever fought the 2017 ban, who had poisoned people for many decades before, and sought to continue? They are mostly still alive.

The biggest public health problem in the US today, killing way more than COVID-19, comes from (being precise!) consumption of fructose without adequate accompanying fiber. The sodas, Coke/Pepsi the biggest, but also juice, apple, orange, cranberry, Red Bull, Monster, are worst. But sugar, which is half fructose, is added to practically everything nowadays, not just breakfast cereal. Almost the whole food industry is devoted to stripping out fiber and selling the rest; when "the rest" has, or gets added, sugar, it becomes slow poison. (Robert Lustig videos on Youtube are a great way to start learning about this. He has books out, too. Lustig is an endocrinologist, the smartest kind of medical doctor.)

One of the reasons sugar is added to everything is that we were told for decades that saturated fat was bad for us. (Another is that sugar production is massively subsidized, so is the cheapest ingredient.) All the stuff blamed on sat fat turns out to be caused, instead, by the trans fats and sugar. The saturated fat is not only totally harmless, it is important for brain function, so its loss compounds the problem.

Thus, the people taking fiber out of and putting sugar into everything are the biggest current mass killers. Likewise, everybody maintaining sugar production subsidies. Stringing them up may be an over-reaction. Anyway stopping them seems like a good idea. At least, require fructose-content and fructose vs. fiber labeling? Think about them next time the news is full of somebody killing a dozen people. Is a dozen bad, but millions A-OK?

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#99
post #8

I feel like at least twice a year, there is some story like "Zodiac Killer Finally Identified" or "DB Cooper Finally Found". And behind these stories is usually just one person or group of people who are presenting their pet theory (which highlighted all facts supporting it, and conveniently brushes aside all facts which don't) and have savy media contacts so are able to get media exposure to help promote what's freq…

It sounds like there's a little bit of presumed Zodiac-Killer DNA on his letters, and there's been some preliminary analysis of it. Hopefully this evidence is suggestive enough to justify a full comparison.

https://medium.com/@charlierusso23/why-has-dna-evidence-not-...

Re: Investigators say they've finally identified the Zodiac Killer

#100
post #42

"For the full story, and more evidence from the Case Breakers, visit"[0] Can we update the link to just go to the full story rather than the summarized version? (sorry, I know it's kinda "offtopic" but that just bugged me starting to read and just being redirected to another site) [0] https://www.foxnews.com/us/cold-case-zodiac-killer-identifie...

By far the most interesting takeaway from the full FOX news article is that it seems possible that the Zodiac Killer was actually a group of people: > Hans Smits told Fox News he spent 10 years hiding a whistleblower who said he escaped a criminal "posse" headed by Poste [now identified as the Zodiac]. The man, who The Case Breakers only referred to as Wil, told Smits the posse roamed California's High Sierra region…

This part of the article actually made me more skeptical about the rest of the claims. The rest sounds like fairly convincing forensics, but then it veers off into rather outlandish conspiracy territory. And if you look at the earlier article on the "Case Breakers" site, the whole thing appears to have started in conspiracy territory: https://thecasebreakers.org/2021/09/the-last-zodiac-victim/

That's not to say that no such weapons cache exists. I imagine there must be plenty of outlaw-ish people in rural regions with sizable above- and underground collections of firearms. But often their boasts of paramilitary acumen tend to be rather overstated, so claims of a serial killer grooming posthumously loyal killing machines would require rather extraordinary proof.

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