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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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As much as I like the change, the 3-month window seems unreasonable. I don't currently have AppStore apps, and these kinds of whiplash changes are part of the reason.

Microsoft, for all its faults, is much better than Apple or Google here.

Businesses take planning and strategy, and these things lead to drop-everything fires.

Economies rely on stability.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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That's my biggest use case for Privacy.com. I care less about the privacy aspect and more about the convenience. I've already had once instance where a single-use card I created for 1 specific vendor started getting fraudulent hits (declines) and all I had to do was delete that card.

> all I had to do was delete that card Careful. If you didn’t properly terminate the contract, you still owe that money. I have a friend whose credit got hit because a service sold his debt to a collector.

Thanks, good to note. In this case, they were declined transactions (nothing that went through) so it was only a tip-off to something fishy.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#133

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

The App Store policies were always for the benefit of customers (and Apple). These policies will keep happening because the basic incentive of Apple's business model has been unchanged since 2008.

How does the app store searching and filtering work now? I had last contact with Apple devices around iPhone 4S. What I remember from that time (maybe wrongly) is that the experience was practically limited to a name search (as on Android). You can't filter for example for open source apps. I know that the example is not useful at its face value even if power users could show their less technical peers "this one simple trick". But it is just an example. From what I remember searching things in app stores is a lesson in frustration, because it is mainly there to input a well known brand or app name and quickly install it instead of helping with app discovery.

Nowadays on Android I try to search for apps on F-Droid first or search on Github as a shortcut to find open source apps. Why open source? They are often a barebones version, that will probably not sell me out and will not use dark patterns (I know it can still happen). I have nothing against paying for apps, I do have a couple I bought, but sometimes I have simple itch, that I know for sure someone else already scratched for everyone else and I do donate sometimes. This lousy state of app stores leads me often to search for some simple web apps on github.io. At the same time I sold whole open source category to Microsoft. In the end it seems that all I want is a smartphone shell scripting equivalent, but that is a totally different point.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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It makes perfect sense, in order to prevent someone else from registering your old @icloud.com email address and impersonating you or performing password resets.

That does make sense, but I remember him talking about my gmail address. Not even sure I had an icloud email. But I could very well remember that wrong.

You can have an iCloud account with any e-mail, including a gmail address - might have been the case there?

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Great point! It's definitely a step in the right direction, but my immediate thought was "what about all the sites that don't actually delete anything?" Hopefully apple makes a more user-friendly announcement about this that will introduce people of the concept of data retention and how "deleting" an account isn't really deleting anything.

> my immediate thought was "what about all the sites that don't actually delete anything?" Thats the whole point :) Apple is saying they need to or no iphone app.

My point was that not all “delete account” buttons are created equal. Some sites just have an “is_deleted” column in their user table, and will continue to use your data after you “delete” your account. I don’t think apple has any way to check for this, but hopefully they at least touch on this topic in their announcement of the new requirement to the non-developer public.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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If the personal data is encrypted and you destroy the only key that can be used to decrypt it, is it still personal data? Or is it now simply some random bytes?

We built a system that creates backups of PII using that mechanism; throw away the key after data is supposed to be deleted. That is legal under EU GDPR.

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Most of their policies are ones CONSUMERS have liked but BUSINESSES have hated. The litigation / cases / govt intervention has been on behalf of businesses not consumers. A lot of folks in the "alliance for app fairness" have just horrible billing practices. Understandably, if they can get out of the app store, they can stop you from being able to do things like delete your account or unsubscribe with a few clicks. A…

Apple killed valve's steam link app because they couldn't get a cut of games consumers had purchased on a different platform. Hardly pro consumer behavior.

They _temporarily removed_ steam link because the app allowed you to enter credit card information and purchase directly within the app.

Once that was removed, Steam Link went right back up

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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In California the New York Times still requires you to chat with a customer support person on their website. You still have to wait in queue, then wait for the person (or maybe it's a bot at this point) paste in several attempts at retaining your subscription. The law needs to be that you can cancel all recurring payments through a standard interface. It's ludicrous that my online banking account doesn't just show me…

I should be able to tell my credit card company that I'm ending a subscription, and have them be in charge of notifying the provider that the subscription has been terminated

Any banks that offer this service? I would switch my primary banking service for this.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Most of their policies are ones CONSUMERS have liked but BUSINESSES have hated. The litigation / cases / govt intervention has been on behalf of businesses not consumers. A lot of folks in the "alliance for app fairness" have just horrible billing practices. Understandably, if they can get out of the app store, they can stop you from being able to do things like delete your account or unsubscribe with a few clicks. A…

Apple killed valve's steam link app because they couldn't get a cut of games consumers had purchased on a different platform. Hardly pro consumer behavior.

Steam Link? It’s on the App Store right now. Same with Xbox and PS remote play.

They don’t allow a native app for GeForce now, but it works with a browser.

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