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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by slownews45 »

mehrdada wrote: post #43
Despegar wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The App Store policies were always for the benefit of customers (and Apple). These policies will keep happening because the basic incentive of Apple's business model has been unchanged since 2008.

Indeed many people do not remember that Android ecosystem at the beginning deliberately was on the side of the developer (and Google) as opposed to the user with its lax permissions and liberal access to the system and took its leisurely time to add more useful permission controls for years (location access was install time and you could not opt out of that specific permission unless you chose not to install the app…

100% this, folks do not remember that it was really apple leading on a TON of this stuff.

The storage and other nags I hate, it's a real ethos breaker for me. Get that crap off my iphone. That's why I pay extra - for less crap (I like that they somehow can also block the carriers from installing unremovable apps, for some reason android phones sometimes come with weird apps from your carrier when you get them).

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by echelon »

jackdeansmith wrote: post #16

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

Feels like a celebration of "Apple sticks it to the stupid app developers, hooray!"

Except app developers are mostly small shops and startups. One-person operations.

How would we like it if the web were forced to behave according to some governing body? It feels like some North Korean 1984 dystopia and we've all got explosive collars around our necks.

It's anti-freedom, anti-American, anti-ownership, anti-Stallman. And I own five iPhones and an iMac.

I just want my stupid software on the stupid fucking software execution device. No tap dancing bear rules. No praise to Apple or forced induction to the Church of Jobs.

Steve Jobs made this artificial, ceremonious bullshit to make money. There is no other reason.

I curse history that his authoritarianism won. It's become pervasive throughout the industry now. It should be illegal.

I'll gladly charge 3x the price to Apple users for having to put up with this malarky.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by psychometry »

codetrotter wrote: post #5

For the most part a very good thing. Wonder what that means for third-party HN client apps though, since HN accounts cannot be deleted.

Let's hope it's a wake-up call to HN admins that they need to rescind this unjustifiable and user-hostile policy.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by not2b »

jb1991 wrote: post #38
gumby wrote: post #2

Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

This raises one notable benefit of going through Apple for all payments -- as a customer, it buffers me from dark billing patterns of any random company. Companies like 37signals don't like it and claim it hampered their relationship with customers, and that might be true in some cases, but overall it seems like a benefit for customers to have a consistency process of buying, refunding, cancelling everything they use…

But if the price of that benefit is 30% off the top for Apple for all payments, it's a high price to pay. Perhaps better consumer protection laws would be a better way to fight the dark patterns.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by enos_feedler »

widowlark wrote: post #67
jb1991 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This raises one notable benefit of going through Apple for all payments -- as a customer, it buffers me from dark billing patterns of any random company. Companies like 37signals don't like it and claim it hampered their relationship with customers, and that might be true in some cases, but overall it seems like a benefit for customers to have a consistency process of buying, refunding, cancelling everything they use…

it buffers you from dark billing patterns of all companies except apple

I’d be interested to hear what dark billing patterns you are seeing rn with Apple?

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by slownews45 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #57
madars wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard you can change your address to California, which then gives the option to cancel online (due to state law). It is absolutely ridiculous that NYT will happily take your card info online, but require you to be on hold to speak with their "customer care" to cancel. Maybe it is time to use virtual CC's a la privacy.com.

Even better, when I had to cancel my NYT subscription, it said there weren't enough cancellation reps to connect me; "try again later". I went in via the normal support chat, said I wanted to cancel, and was immediately redirected to one. It was an outright lie.

Yep - and these are the SAME places posting LONG articles about how terrible Apple's store policies are. Uh, folks spend a lot on the apple store for a reason.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by tcit »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #74

I wonder how many email clients will suffer from this policy because they won't be able to delete email accounts from third party servers?

Those email clients don't allow for account creation, so they shouldn't be concerned.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by r00fus »

8note wrote: post #71
jb1991 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This raises one notable benefit of going through Apple for all payments -- as a customer, it buffers me from dark billing patterns of any random company. Companies like 37signals don't like it and claim it hampered their relationship with customers, and that might be true in some cases, but overall it seems like a benefit for customers to have a consistency process of buying, refunding, cancelling everything they use…

I'm not sure I see that as a benefit so much a government doing a poor job on regulations for subscription services and online payments

Yes, to both. Gov could do better, and in the meantime until if/when that happens, may be worth it to use a trusted source (Apple) to manage that for you.

Likelihood of Gov doing better seems tied to how much they can get away from Wall St. funding/defunding their re-election campaigns.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by bshep »

gumby wrote: post #2

Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

SiriusXM is like this as well, you subscribe/upgrade online but you have to argue with a support person for 30-40mins to cancel, at least you can do it on a chat on their website.

Honestly if you can subscribe with a button you should be able to unsubscribe with a button.

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