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Borges: The Library of Babel [pdf]

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Re: Borges: The Library of Babel [pdf]

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According to the story, each book has: * 410 pages * 40 lines per page * 80 characters per line * Not included: The characters on the front cover, maybe 15 on average? There are 25 symbols. So there are 25^(410*40*80) possible books, which comes out to ~10^1834097 books. Sufficed to say, the library could hold numerous universes.

That's most likely an upper limit, as random character strings are not necessarily language.

If you read the story you will see that most books present the appearance of random strings of characters.

Re: Borges: The Library of Babel [pdf]

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I rather enjoyed the short essay: https://web.archive.org/web/19970614230544/jubal.westnet.com... In my Lovecraftian phase I imagined an infinite winding black pagoda with brail inscriptions on its walls. If you're very lucky you would wander up or down until you died of thirst reading nothing but nonsense. If you weren't you'd find the necronomicon or worse. Unlike the library the text would not be finite and there…

Nice find. That was written by Willard van Orman Quine, the noted logician/philosopher whose surname was adopted to refer to computer programs that are designed to output their own source code.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine_(computing)

Re: Borges: The Library of Babel [pdf]

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That's most likely an upper limit, as random character strings are not necessarily language.

If you read the story you will see that most books present the appearance of random strings of characters.

If the sets of integers and reals is anything to go by, an infinitesimal portion of the books would include something that's actually legible, but perhaps the books could be sorted so those containing the most sensible arrangements of letters were kept nearby: don't bother looking at those noisy tomes of high entropy.

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Riemann's hypothesis, if true, is proven in an infinite number of ways in the library. But the library also contains an infinite number of flawed attempted proofs.

And JLB would add: and an infinite number of refutations of each of that proofs.

And infinitely many incorrect refutations of each of the correct proofs.

Re: Borges: The Library of Babel [pdf]

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There is a fun story based off this idea, A Short Stay in Hell by Steven Peck [0]. In the story the character dies and wakes up in a kind of hell that is basically a version of the library of Babel. There are other people there. You're allowed to leave if you can find the book that has your life story in it. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Short-Stay-Hell-Steven-Peck/dp/098374...

You could also just find a book that tells you another way of getting out, no?

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I emerged into a kind of small plaza — a courtyard might better describe it. It was surrounded by a single building, of irregular angles and varying heights. It was to this heterogeneous building that the many cupolas and columns belonged. More than any other feature of that incredible monument, I was arrested by the great antiquity of its construction. I felt that it had existed before humankind, before the world it…

Emergí a una suerte de plazoleta; mejor dicho, de patio. Lo rodeaba un solo edificio de forma irregular y altura variable; a ese edificio heterogéneo pertenecían las diversas cúpulas y columnas. Antes que ningún otro rasgo de ese monumento increíble, me suspendió lo antiquísimo de su fábrica. Sentí que era anterior a los hombres, anterior a la tierra. Esa notoria antigüedad (aunque terrible de algún modo para los ojo…

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Re: Borges: The Library of Babel [pdf]

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There is a fun story based off this idea, A Short Stay in Hell by Steven Peck [0]. In the story the character dies and wakes up in a kind of hell that is basically a version of the library of Babel. There are other people there. You're allowed to leave if you can find the book that has your life story in it. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Short-Stay-Hell-Steven-Peck/dp/098374...

You could also just find a book that tells you another way of getting out, no?

How would you tell the difference between that book and a similar book with a plausible but flawed escape plan?

To paraphrase The Incredibles: when every book is there, no book is there.

Re: Borges: The Library of Babel [pdf]

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Many great stories to chose from: I found the Lottery of Babylon to be a great story on randomness in life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery_in_Babylon

Like many other Borges' stories they reach a point where it is no other thing but a different way to tell about the world. The Lottery finds that deliver money it's not enough, it will deliver joy, pain, enlightenment, suffering, tragedy and hapiness too. So one bought a ticket not just to gain some gold, but to play.

The Lottery in Babylon is the same essential idea as the Library of Babel. The Lottery becomes so sophisticated, it becomes indistinguishable from the “random” events of reality, and therefore is there really any lottery at all?

Re: Borges: The Library of Babel [pdf]

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I really like this story. The idea that everything is written inside one of the books of this library is mind blowing!

More perplexing to me is the notion that such a library contains no information, owing to this description: > each book is unique and irreplaceable, but (since the Library is total) there are always several hundred thousand imperfect facsimiles - books that differ by no more than a single letter, or comma If one were to try and distinguish one book of Shakespeare from another, they would need the full text they are l…

To paraphrase The Incredibles: when every book is there, no book is there.
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