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Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by shadowgovt »

Koshkin wrote: post #39
xeeeeeeeeeeenu wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems the above posting is botty. Text generated by one of those Ai influop language models? How so? GP's post may be a little bit too harsh, but it's definitely well written and coherent.

Yeah, I wish I could unflag it.

I've decided to vouch it, but as basic criticism: the purpose of this site is intellectual curiosity, and criticizing Plan 9 as "dead" is the opposite of intellectual curiosity.

Even dead things are worth studying, if for no other reason than to explore the question of why everyone isn't using them (in Plan 9's case, it has a lot more to do with accident of history than any technical limitations... Once POSIX standardized what a UNIX-like OS that managed processes and allowed IPC looked like, everything close-to-but-not-that became also-ran, no matter its technical merits. Esperanto is a fine language, but useless if almost everyone you meet knows English instead).

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by MisterTea »

genpfault wrote: post #31

So what's the Plan 9 filesystem interface for GPUs and/or 3D acceleration?

None. Send patches. Though, there are ideas floating around and supposedly someone working on something but its vaporware as of now.

A plan 9 interface to a GPU would have to be as general as possible by excluding API specific interfaces. This way you have a GPGPU interface which you build applications/api's on top of.

edit: Here's a very back of napkin idea that was lightly discussed recently, https://marc.info/?l=9fans&m=162965057312200&w=2

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by MisterTea »

shadowgovt wrote: post #41
Koshkin wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I wish I could unflag it.

I've decided to vouch it, but as basic criticism: the purpose of this site is intellectual curiosity, and criticizing Plan 9 as "dead" is the opposite of intellectual curiosity. Even dead things are worth studying, if for no other reason than to explore the question of why everyone isn't using them (in Plan 9's case, it has a lot more to do with accident of history than any technical limitations... Once POSIX standar…

If plan 9 were dead it wouldn't have a fork that receives patches on a near daily basis with an active community.

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by smhenderson »

As with a lot of people here, one of my first thoughts was, "yes, but how do I browse the web?". So after reading a bit, then skimming and skipping a bit, I found the section on mothra and abaco. By far my favorite line in the article is:

Recently, NetSurf has been ported to Plan 9 by the 9front developers. The browser is slow and glitchy with a ton of bugs, and thus provides a fairly convincing web 2.0 experience.

Based on this alone I think I shall give Plan 9 another try in the not too distant future!

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by anthk »

smhenderson wrote: post #44

As with a lot of people here, one of my first thoughts was, "yes, but how do I browse the web?". So after reading a bit, then skimming and skipping a bit, I found the section on mothra and abaco. By far my favorite line in the article is: Recently, NetSurf has been ported to Plan 9 by the 9front developers. The browser is slow and glitchy with a ton of bugs, and thus provides a fairly convincing web 2.0 experience. B…

Or better, skip the web completely and read HN over gopher: gopher://hngopher.com

HN works under Links, so it could work under Mothra.

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by Koshkin »

shadowgovt wrote: post #41
Koshkin wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I wish I could unflag it.

I've decided to vouch it, but as basic criticism: the purpose of this site is intellectual curiosity, and criticizing Plan 9 as "dead" is the opposite of intellectual curiosity. Even dead things are worth studying, if for no other reason than to explore the question of why everyone isn't using them (in Plan 9's case, it has a lot more to do with accident of history than any technical limitations... Once POSIX standar…

The rant was about making Plan 9 out as something potentially useful as a daily driver.

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by anthk »

shadowgovt wrote: post #40
rcarmo wrote: post #5

This is by far the most comprehensive Plan 9 walkthrough I've read in the past couple of years. I've been running a Raspberry Pi as an all-in-one Plan 9 setup for a long while now (as a sort of catch-all minimalist dev environment/console), and the two main showstoppers for me have been: - The reliance on a three button mouse, which makes it impossible to use Plan 9 on a modern laptop without finagling with modifier…

+1 on the browser issue. So much of basic development these days requires a browser (I'm even using one to read this Plan 9 Desktop Guide) that not having one hosted by the OS moves the OS from "Desktop development" to "Embedded system development" for all practical purposes for me.

Browsrs? Just get this and read it with page.

https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/9.intro.pdf

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by RealStickman_ »

anthk wrote: post #45
smhenderson wrote: post #44

As with a lot of people here, one of my first thoughts was, "yes, but how do I browse the web?". So after reading a bit, then skimming and skipping a bit, I found the section on mothra and abaco. By far my favorite line in the article is: Recently, NetSurf has been ported to Plan 9 by the 9front developers. The browser is slow and glitchy with a ton of bugs, and thus provides a fairly convincing web 2.0 experience. B…

Or better, skip the web completely and read HN over gopher: gopher://hngopher.com HN works under Links, so it could work under Mothra.

Gopher =/= the web

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by jjuel »

rcarmo wrote: post #5

This is by far the most comprehensive Plan 9 walkthrough I've read in the past couple of years. I've been running a Raspberry Pi as an all-in-one Plan 9 setup for a long while now (as a sort of catch-all minimalist dev environment/console), and the two main showstoppers for me have been: - The reliance on a three button mouse, which makes it impossible to use Plan 9 on a modern laptop without finagling with modifier…

> The reliance on a three button mouse, which makes it impossible to use Plan 9 on a modern laptop without finagling with modifier keys (no, I don't want to go back to using a mouse, thanks).

Thinkpad ;)

Re: Plan 9 Desktop Guide

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Post by georgeoliver »

iszomer wrote: post #34

SDF recently started hosting a Plan 9 bootcamp. https://sdf.org/plan9

Love this idea!

  Plan9 wants a network
  Plan9 wants to be distributed
  Plan9 wants a community
I've always heard about Plan9's networking, does this include having good leverage for tasks like audio streaming?
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