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Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by rektide »

jmuguy wrote: post #3

Completely unrelated but front of mind for me since I had a project die this morning - I really wish they'd release a Pi with eMMC storage instead of just the SD card. I know theres alternatives but none of them have the same community and support as the Pi.

> I really wish they'd release a Pi with eMMC storage instead of just the SD card.

Theres an NVMe interface for sd-cards now. That'd beat the tar out of eMMC. Downside, the sd-card might use as much power as the cpu.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16938/silicon-motion-sm2708-s...

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by mypastself »

HideousKojima wrote: post #9
jmuguy wrote: post #3

Completely unrelated but front of mind for me since I had a project die this morning - I really wish they'd release a Pi with eMMC storage instead of just the SD card. I know theres alternatives but none of them have the same community and support as the Pi.

It's a bit finicky to get working/set up (make absolutely certain that your USB to SATA adapter has proper UAS support in ARM Linux), but you can boot the Pi4 off of a USB SSD now. Still might not be what you need, but it's way better than booting from an SD card.

I’ve had enough trouble with SD cards and regular drives that I ended up replacing the storage for all my important Pis with external SSDs, and I’ve been pretty happy with them. I’ve found that it’s worth the price and portability trade-offs.

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by ksec »

Uninen wrote: post #23

Unrelated but I wonder how far is the next major Raspberry Pi version. It's been over 2 years since the last version.

Fab Capacity, DRAM, NAND, Silicon Price Hike..... I wouldn't be surprised if the next version is sometime in 2023.

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by Syonyk »

SahAssar wrote: post #28
jmuguy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I thought eMMC, but as you indicated that's basically just a SD card soldiered to the board (which I didn't know). So NVMe? I didn't think this was a really contentious idea. I've had several Pi projects that I needed to mess with because the SD card died. So it seems like a logical evolution would be for the Pi to have more robust storage out of the box.

I think most people with those requirements treat the SD card as a bootloader and keep the main system on a USB connected SSD (or make the system not write-heavy while still only using the SD). It'd be nice to have a rpi that supported NVMe (or just more reliable boot from USB) but I can see why that is not exactly in-scope. IIRC the most destructive thing to a rpi that is SD-storage only is excessive logging. If you…

This is how I run mine - SD for boot, USB SSD for root.

You can run NVMe on a Pi4, sort of... if you replace the USB3 controller with a bridge PCB that routes PCIe out the USB ports properly for some other adapters. I don't recall if they got it working reliably or not. And then if you use the CM4, you can certainly have reliable NVMe.

But I'm just not sure it really matters. USB3 SSDs, UAS or not (I've run into UAS issues and while you can tell the difference in a benchmark between having it and not, I can't tell the difference in end use) are more than fast enough for daily use.

I've done a writeup of making a Pi4 desktop here: https://www.sevarg.net/2019/12/14/building-raspberry-pi-4-de...

The only real change is that the kernel now has zswap provided as a module, so you don't need to build a kernel unless you just think building a kernel on a Pi is cool (which it indeed is).

It's not fast, but it's more than adequate for light desktop use. If you want more guts behind it, the ODroid N2+ is about twice as fast, for not an awful lot more money.

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by alias_neo »

jmuguy wrote: post #3

Completely unrelated but front of mind for me since I had a project die this morning - I really wish they'd release a Pi with eMMC storage instead of just the SD card. I know theres alternatives but none of them have the same community and support as the Pi.

Perhaps something like this[0] will work for you?

[0] https://thepihut.com/products/raspikey-plug-and-play-emmc-mo...

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by alias_neo »

scns wrote: post #30
jmuguy wrote: post #3

Completely unrelated but front of mind for me since I had a project die this morning - I really wish they'd release a Pi with eMMC storage instead of just the SD card. I know theres alternatives but none of them have the same community and support as the Pi.

The wear of the sdcard can be lowered using zram and log2ram. The only distribution i know that does that by default is https://dietpi.com/

This part of my Kubernetes on Pi series of blogs describes setting up Log2RAM if people are interested in doing it manually: https://2byt.es/post/bantamcloud/02-configure/

See "Log to RAM" (I really need to start putting Anchors in my Hugo markdown).

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by MarcScott »

rvz wrote: post #2

It looks like the corporate arm of the Raspberry Pi company is trying to go public, despite denying it the past. [0] It has already been admitted. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/03/13/raspberry-pi...

Not going public, but attracting investors and a sizeable charitable donation. https://web.archive.org/web/20210920112614/https://www.teleg...

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by atmosx »

jmuguy wrote: post #3

Completely unrelated but front of mind for me since I had a project die this morning - I really wish they'd release a Pi with eMMC storage instead of just the SD card. I know theres alternatives but none of them have the same community and support as the Pi.

The SD card effectively turns the RPi into a toy. I am going to test it as a desktop with an external self-powered USB drive soon, but as for the Pi400 has been a disappointment because did the SD card. The system is unusable.

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by somehnguy »

atmosx wrote: post #38
jmuguy wrote: post #3

Completely unrelated but front of mind for me since I had a project die this morning - I really wish they'd release a Pi with eMMC storage instead of just the SD card. I know theres alternatives but none of them have the same community and support as the Pi.

The SD card effectively turns the RPi into a toy. I am going to test it as a desktop with an external self-powered USB drive soon, but as for the Pi400 has been a disappointment because did the SD card. The system is unusable.

What issues are you having related to the SD card?

I've had at least a couple pis of various models (currently a 2 and a 4) running in the house since the very first model hit the market, early on I had issues with SD card corruption too. But after a while I finally took the PSU requirements serious & put in quality cards, haven't really had any issues since.

Re: Introducing raspberrypi.com

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Post by rm445 »

scns wrote: post #30
jmuguy wrote: post #3

Completely unrelated but front of mind for me since I had a project die this morning - I really wish they'd release a Pi with eMMC storage instead of just the SD card. I know theres alternatives but none of them have the same community and support as the Pi.

The wear of the sdcard can be lowered using zram and log2ram. The only distribution i know that does that by default is https://dietpi.com/

Not sure the problem is just wear. The SD card seems unusually likely to be destroyed by power cycles or brownouts.

I don't feel on especially solid ground saying that - although I've experienced dead (micro) SD cards myself. It's a controversial topic, and no doubt some people are confused by what's just filesystem corruption. There are flamewars.

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