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Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

You mean he is acting like a regular politician?

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Could someone familiar with election law comment on what Yang gets to do with all the money he raises with this PAC if this effort to be recognized as a political party doesn't succeed, or for that matter, in the meantime until it does?

> The Forward Party is a PAC that plans to grow its support and then petition the FEC for recognition as a political party when we fulfill the requirements, which include operating in several states, supporting candidates, getting volunteers signed up around the country, and other party activities.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Not exactly sure what to make of this, conceptually it just sounds like 90s era Clintonite/Thatcherite consensus with some ranked voting and other stuff thrown in. The reason why the US is polarized (and most other places to a slightly lesser degree) is because that quadrant of the political spectrum is dead[1], and people have overall grown tired of this liberal (in a broad sense of the term) anti-politics which aim…

> people have overall grown tired of this liberal (in a broad sense of the term) anti-politics which aims to disguise managerialism and technocratic government as 'non-ideological'

Agreed. See also, Clinton's political ideology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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To me, it seems our current system has us stuck in a prisoner's dilemma of sorts.

Each side has a large base of constituents who don't love their own party but feel it's a non-negotiable to keep the other major party out of power as much as possible.

For example, I dislike both sides, but there's one party I dislike more than the other, so I vote in such a way to keep that party out... which ends up supporting a party that a lot of people hate. If you're in the US, it's likely you can relate.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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I'm a reddit mod for a 100k+ geographical sub. I volunteered when I thought the mods did a poor job on something and DM'ed them, and one invited me to help. So every day or three, I hop on and help clean out the report queue if it's stacked up. Being a decent person, modding can be difficult because the internet is full of bad-faith people and idiots. Applying a consistent standard in a way that keeps the sub clean w…

> straight-up disinfo (I tend to look at their profiles for context) gets deleted quickly. That makes me extremely nervous. One can imagine a perverse mod who simply deletes comments based on which political subs they post in.

There's definitely some "politics" where that's an extremely wise move. For example, people who regularly post in a subreddit dedicated to holocaust denial don't really deserve benefit of the doubt when they've already posted something bad enough to require moderator interaction in /r/lego.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

> most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage This is something really strange. If you work for a campaign, it is very very very very different from working for the Mcdonal's. You work for a campaign because you support its ideology, and you want it to win. You are not trying to make a living by working for a campaign. I would even say, you are not working for the campaign, you are working for yourself! It…

> I would even say, you are not working for the campaign, you are working for yourself!

And you would be wrong.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

Elections now are generally 2 people with influence, connections, and wealth (or someone that can be exploited as a puppet) that are chosen by financial backers to win, and a remaining pool of stooges and fake implants meant to take votes away from either of the 2 people mentioned prior.

Everything else, including the idea that an honest candidate can "climb out of nowhere" and win hearts and votes, is a pipe dream because of PACs, political parties, and obvious corruption. Been that way for almost forever if you ask me...

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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IMO, this is an indictment of the structure, more so than the individual. First, a campaign is a makeshift setup, staffed just in time and fired shortly after. Second a campaign is a campaign. It's about media attention, hammering messages and getting elected. Anything but a messy collapse, post election, is unlikely. I'll suggest that what you wanted to be involved in isn't an individual campaign, it's a party or so…

indictment of the structure, more so than the individual. It seems to me that someone who wants to change the way the country works should at least be able to do a little better with how their campaign works and treats it's people. Yes, the work is short term and I think people know that going in. But mistreatment & broken promises? Not acceptable. Again, for someone trying to change the country, changing those aspec…

Yang had a large article in politico describing the flaws of the campaign process.

[1] https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/10/03/andrew-yan...

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a reddit mod for a 100k+ geographical sub. I volunteered when I thought the mods did a poor job on something and DM'ed them, and one invited me to help. So every day or three, I hop on and help clean out the report queue if it's stacked up. Being a decent person, modding can be difficult because the internet is full of bad-faith people and idiots. Applying a consistent standard in a way that keeps the sub clean w…

> straight-up disinfo (I tend to look at their profiles for context) gets deleted quickly. That makes me extremely nervous. One can imagine a perverse mod who simply deletes comments based on which political subs they post in.

Edit up front to say, it's unfortunate that you read that one line and got extremely nervous rather than take anything else I had put into consideration.

I personally don't care where you post if you're being polite on the sub I moderate. I try to think of it like being the chairperson of a meeting, or the bartender at a local bar: Let people debate and disagree and even say stupid stuff, but if they say something obviously offensive or start name-calling, you get modded.

And if I then look at your comment history and see a stream of vitriolic behavior, that shows me it wasn't "just one time" you got out of hand, but a pattern of undesirable behavior.

I do know other subs, mostly political, that will instantly ban you if you have a different set of beliefs than they do. It's very frustrating. But that's not what I'm discussing here.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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So you'll pay for your house, food, and other living requirements with what then? Every time someone tries to make a case for paying people not enough to survive they just seem to forget that externalities exist...

If you want to make more money, why don't you go work for the Mcdonal's then? Oh no. I don't like to work for the Mcdonal's! I hate the job! I want to work for the campaign and it must pay me the same! It's a win-win for me!

> I want to work for the campaign and it must pay me the same!

Yes. That's rather the point of the concept of minimum wage.

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