Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

forwardparty.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

481–490 of 638 posts

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#481

Post by mythrwy »

rndgermandude wrote: post #249
disneygibson wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it isn’t weird, it’s simply rejecting the frankly naive notion that you should change everything all the time according to the whims of the populace. History and human nature didn’t begin in 1950. Again, the US has never had anything remotely as horrible as the French Revolution or Nazi Germany. That’s likely a consequence of a constitutional government with limited powers. The United Kingdom is in a very similar…

>Again, the US has never had anything remotely as horrible as the French Revolution or Nazi Germany. Google the Three-Fifth compromise some day. Or whip out your copy of the US Constitution and closely read Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. It took a civil war that almost tore apart the nation to rectify. That's what those - infallible to some - founding fathers compromised on.

You work with what you have. In the time you exist.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#482

Post by aero-glide2 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #472
unethical_ban wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a reddit mod for a 100k+ geographical sub. I volunteered when I thought the mods did a poor job on something and DM'ed them, and one invited me to help. So every day or three, I hop on and help clean out the report queue if it's stacked up. Being a decent person, modding can be difficult because the internet is full of bad-faith people and idiots. Applying a consistent standard in a way that keeps the sub clean w…

> straight-up disinfo (I tend to look at their profiles for context) gets deleted quickly. That makes me extremely nervous. One can imagine a perverse mod who simply deletes comments based on which political subs they post in.

I don't have to imagine. Many subs automatically ban you if you post in few specific subs.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#483

Post by ihattendorf »

vorpalhex wrote: post #472
unethical_ban wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a reddit mod for a 100k+ geographical sub. I volunteered when I thought the mods did a poor job on something and DM'ed them, and one invited me to help. So every day or three, I hop on and help clean out the report queue if it's stacked up. Being a decent person, modding can be difficult because the internet is full of bad-faith people and idiots. Applying a consistent standard in a way that keeps the sub clean w…

> straight-up disinfo (I tend to look at their profiles for context) gets deleted quickly. That makes me extremely nervous. One can imagine a perverse mod who simply deletes comments based on which political subs they post in.

Honest question: what's the alternative? Maybe sign-off from multiple mods on every action? That'd be a tough sell to require double, triple, or more time from mods. Some sort of random review of x% of mod actions maybe?

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#484

Post by wonderwonder »

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

Appreciate the insight. Even if all of this is true and I have no reason to think its not, I will still cast my vote for someone from his party most likely; assuming the candidate is remotely palatable. I think the country needs a valid third party as a reaction to the extremes of both current parties taking more power and influence. A third party would optimally pull both parties back towards the center assuming that third party is more common citizen focused. As for the negative character traits, I think most politicians eventually become this way. I am not a fan of it but its reality and these days my political viewpoint is very much "Who will do the least amount of harm to democracy", the days of being inspired are very much passed for me. Maybe I am just old and bitter :)

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#485

Post by ebiester »

temp8964 wrote: post #460
realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

> most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage This is something really strange. If you work for a campaign, it is very very very very different from working for the Mcdonal's. You work for a campaign because you support its ideology, and you want it to win. You are not trying to make a living by working for a campaign. I would even say, you are not working for the campaign, you are working for yourself! It…

There is a key difference between volunteers and campaign staff: Campaign staff are managers: they manage the volunteers and bring key competitive advantages to a campaign. Good campaign staff is the difference between winning and losing.

Campaign staff can work 60-80 hours a week during the life of a campaign. This is an actual job.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#486

Post by hef19898 »

mythrwy wrote: post #481
rndgermandude wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Again, the US has never had anything remotely as horrible as the French Revolution or Nazi Germany. Google the Three-Fifth compromise some day. Or whip out your copy of the US Constitution and closely read Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. It took a civil war that almost tore apart the nation to rectify. That's what those - infallible to some - founding fathers compromised on.

You work with what you have. In the time you exist.

In the case some founding fathers, quite literally. Or rather who you own works for you as long as they exist.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#487

Post by brightball »

i21QMgplhRJs2OL wrote: post #471
brightball wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would do better running as a Libertarian IMO. There's been support for UBI within the LP for a while, the party simply lacks candidates with a compelling story. In 2016 though, if the people who voted Green Party would have voted LP the LP would have earned 5% (instead it earn 3.5%) of the popular vote granting it full federal funding through the entire next election cycle. It's the closest any third party has com…

This might be a controversial take but candidates for the Libertarian party should be libertarians. If Yang wanted to run under an existing third party then the Green Party would make more sense.

Just looking through his points on the website, here's what's actively supported by the LP...

- UBI

- Ranked Choice Voting and Open Primaries

- Term Limits

----- These are widely supported within the LP

- Working with government should be painless

----- For LP this means because there should be less federal power, leading to less of a feeling that it's trying to control your life

- Legislating based on outcomes, not ideologies

----- I doubt anyone in the LP would be opposed to this stance as the fact that opposition to ideologies which make little sense from either major party is a driving force of the LP itself.

- Grace and Tolerance

----- A party who wants to let everyone live their lives without government interference with a comical tag line of "I want gay married people to protect their marijuana plants with guns" would seem to be the epitome of giving each other the benefit of the doubt. A cornerstone of freedom is the belief in trusting people to make their own decisions.

- Human Centered Capitalism

----- I'm not entirely sure what this means and it's not elaborated on within the platform.

From the actual Platform page, a couple of others...

- Automatic Tax Filing so simplify the tax process

----- This has been a LONG time Libertarian Party rallying cry.

Yang may be trying to get attention by creating a new party, but he's so closely aligned with the Libertarian Party here it's crazy.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

#489

Post by UIZealot »

realce wrote: post #431
netcan wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO, this is an indictment of the structure, more so than the individual. First, a campaign is a makeshift setup, staffed just in time and fired shortly after. Second a campaign is a campaign. It's about media attention, hammering messages and getting elected. Anything but a messy collapse, post election, is unlikely. I'll suggest that what you wanted to be involved in isn't an individual campaign, it's a party or so…

1000% agree.

>> IMO, this is an indictment of the structure, more so than the individual.

> 1000% agree.

So you agree that it's the structure of the organization that's at fault, not Andrew Yang?

Post reply on HN