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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by netcan »

h2odragon wrote: post #338
netcan wrote: post #325

What's missing here, IMO, is a party. Who's with him? Do you have defectors from the 2 parties? Independents or popular figures joining up? Candidates being stood? A political party is not a manifesto, it's an organisation. I actually think there's room for a party to start gaining ground in the US. There are so many elected offices that the surface area is huge. Great for "guerilla tactics." IE, earning easy victori…

A political party in the USA needs an engaged, interested, reliable representative for every single county election commission, at the very least. The Libertarians don't have that. The Greens never bothered with rural areas. The Perot believers and the Tea Parties had boots enough but no co-ordination.

I don't think it's that deterministic.

Facing a behemoth like the two parties head-on is impossible. You can't have as much coverage as them as a starting point. OTOH, you also don't have to stay in their paradigm or split your efforts so widely. OTOH, elect three senators or nine mayors would, in itself, represent a major victory and real political power.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by slothtrop »

api wrote: post #330
Karto wrote: post #158

The top line, "Not Left. Not Right. Forward." kind of reminds me of Macron's "En Marche" ("Let's Go") that took over France in a storm, taking over the presidency AND the parliament only one year after its foundation, with very few previously known political figures in its ranks. The whole thing looked like doing management rather than politics, and offered an alternative to fed-up voters who didn't dare turn to the…

> doing management rather than politics, This. I want someone who will throw the culture war out the window (both the left and right wings of it) and focus 100% on competent problem solving and execution and on real world practical problems facing the country. These are problems like infrastructure, transportation, water security in the West, energy modernization and decarbonization, repatriation of critical manufact…

Culture wars fall within the purview of media op-eds and social, which tries to rope in policy makers. I don't think Biden for instance has devoted much time addressing identity politics any more than Yang. Does it not then mean he's focused on pragmatic problems? Competency is up for question.

I like that Yang narrows the focus of what he purports are policy changes in need. I don't think this has resonated well, but I expect it's because UBI and VAT scares off moderates who want someone to feign upholding something close to the status quo. Also because UBI and VAT don't rank among the more imperative concerns people have, or at least don't obviously address them, e.g. healthcare, cost of living, economy.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by danielkyne »

rajin444 wrote: post #381
richwater wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've given so much time to this person it's insane. _why_?

I have a high level of skepticism for anyone who is a reddit moderator. This is purely speculative and anecdotal, but the ones I've known are not generally healthy, stable people.

Reddit moderators are a whole breed of their own. Any that I've encountered (mostly for 100k+ subreddits) have lost any shred of empathy they once had.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by netcan »

Loughla wrote: post #364
h2odragon wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A political party in the USA needs an engaged, interested, reliable representative for every single county election commission, at the very least. The Libertarians don't have that. The Greens never bothered with rural areas. The Perot believers and the Tea Parties had boots enough but no co-ordination.

The green party has such an opportunity in rural areas. I've never understood why they refuse to see any amount of trade-off. Living in a rural area for a majority of my life, I can tell you that (not to make a no-true-Scotsman argument, but) most people are very concerned about the environment. When you are constantly surrounded by reminders that the world is changing, it is impossible to refute that fact. That many…

If you look outside of the US, Green parties can develop some tension between city and country greens.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by willcipriano »

frankbreetz wrote: post #385
realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

This is disappointing to read, I guess it is true what they say: you don't become a billionaire by being a good person.

Given that we can give money to people if we choose to, that may be a reflection on society itself more then the billionaires.

Voting makes this more obvious of course, we get the elected leaders we deserve.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by pvg »

hef19898 wrote: post #390
pvg wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We were talking about the phrase 'founding fathers' specifically and invocations of 100+ years old 'founding' principles of the state generally. If you want invocation of individuals and their writing, here's president Macron again, a year ago: In the Paris Pantheon, a mausoleum to France’s heroes, Macron handed five new citizens their French papers in a solemn ceremony to mark the 150th anniversary of the Third Repu…

Voltaire is an author, not a politician. Hardly the same thing. EDIT: Today Voltaire could be regarded as an anti-semite it seems. Maybe more due to his disdain for religion, and Judaism being the oldest mono-theistic religion, than a true hate for Jews but still. Always nice to read up, even just quickly, on people and things. And he corrected these statements after being called out for them, specifying he disagrees…

He was a lot of things, including a political philosopher and he is quoted as such by Macron. You can split these hairs indefinitely, I don't think it changes the (I think more than amply) demonstrated fact that the political system of France is, among other things, thoroughly permeated by 18th century stuff and politicians allude to it and refer to it directly all the time.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by 3pt14159 »

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

Edit: Proof accepted. Thank you!

Sorry, but I'd like some proof about, really, any of this. For example, that you were a moderator of his official subreddit. I dislike Yang making a third party, but this is a pretty hefty charge.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by blfr »

3pt14159 wrote: post #407
realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

Edit: Proof accepted. Thank you! Sorry, but I'd like some proof about, really, any of this. For example, that you were a moderator of his official subreddit. I dislike Yang making a third party, but this is a pretty hefty charge.

    > created: October 4, 2020
    > karma:   258
Yeah, there are plenty of people here with knowledge and experience from surprising fields but I, too, would like some confirmation.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by AniseAbyss »

jagrsw wrote: post #159

".. because our founding fathers .." It's interesting to see that all sides of political dispute in US, even parties (like this one) which want to cater to the seemingly more rational and less emotional part of the populace use the argument of "the founding fathers wanted it this way, so... that must be the correct way of doing things forever".

The founding fathers are like the Bible: they can and have been interpreted in thousands of ways to support whatever popular cause of the day. I'm sure Davis quoted them in 1860.

And they were a diverse group who only came together against the British.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by realce »

3pt14159 wrote: post #407
realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

Edit: Proof accepted. Thank you! Sorry, but I'd like some proof about, really, any of this. For example, that you were a moderator of his official subreddit. I dislike Yang making a third party, but this is a pretty hefty charge.

I have dm'd you proof, please edit your comment upon examining it and enjoy your day :)

oh you can't do that here - my mistake

-- this is where proof went, but I'd like to keep my reddit username kinda separate from here, hope yall understand.

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