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Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by lupire »

qsort wrote: post #196
Karto wrote: post #158

The top line, "Not Left. Not Right. Forward." kind of reminds me of Macron's "En Marche" ("Let's Go") that took over France in a storm, taking over the presidency AND the parliament only one year after its foundation, with very few previously known political figures in its ranks. The whole thing looked like doing management rather than politics, and offered an alternative to fed-up voters who didn't dare turn to the…

I suspect a huge part of Macron's success was his opponent. France elections have a top-2 runoff, and I wouldn't be surprised if many electors were like "I don't like Macron but I really don't want Le Pen to win". The whole "socially progressive, economically middle of the road" political coalition that would win every election on HN is extremely unpopular in the real world.

> socially progressive, economically middle of the road"

That's Democrats, who almost always win the popular vote but are structurally handicapped by the votes for Senate and Presidency given to rural states.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by Thrymr »

qsort wrote: post #196
Karto wrote: post #158

The top line, "Not Left. Not Right. Forward." kind of reminds me of Macron's "En Marche" ("Let's Go") that took over France in a storm, taking over the presidency AND the parliament only one year after its foundation, with very few previously known political figures in its ranks. The whole thing looked like doing management rather than politics, and offered an alternative to fed-up voters who didn't dare turn to the…

I suspect a huge part of Macron's success was his opponent. France elections have a top-2 runoff, and I wouldn't be surprised if many electors were like "I don't like Macron but I really don't want Le Pen to win". The whole "socially progressive, economically middle of the road" political coalition that would win every election on HN is extremely unpopular in the real world.

> The whole "socially progressive, economically middle of the road" political coalition that would win every election on HN is extremely unpopular in the real world.

I don't know about that, it has won the popular vote in 7 of the past 8 US presidential elections.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

qsort wrote: post #284
netcan wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always true that the election system itself plays a big role in how/what candidates get elected. It's also true that the US electoral structure was a huge factor in Biden or Trump's election. Change the structure of the primary or main election, get different results. That notwithstanding, it's also true that elements of Trump or Bidens' success might translate. In any case, the " The whole "socially progressive…

> If you compare changes though, these orientations have been politically powerful for decades They have, but they usually don't go toghether, that was my point. Social rights advocacy usually goes hand in hand with far-left positions, while more centrist economic policy usually implies conservative social positions. I believe it's been a policy driver because it's kind of an "elite ideology", which is overrepresente…

It all makes sense. If you're part of group X which is legally excluded from wealth or power, you're hardly going to be impressed by a system that says "lets judge everyone's moral worth as a person on their inherited wealth".

So the best way to increase support for market based economics is to remove such government interventions.

But instead the market-based people often team up with the bigots slowing prpgress on both fronts.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by smolder »

QuercusMax wrote: post #129
happytoexplain wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the parent, but this a weirdly hostile take on this subject.

How can you be a serious political party if your logo is ripped off from a garbage company?

I wouldn't assume they derived theirs from the trash company logo. As a concept, a star made from letters is not extremely creative.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by ericmay »

hef19898 wrote: post #228
disneygibson wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it isn’t weird, it’s simply rejecting the frankly naive notion that you should change everything all the time according to the whims of the populace. History and human nature didn’t begin in 1950. Again, the US has never had anything remotely as horrible as the French Revolution or Nazi Germany. That’s likely a consequence of a constitutional government with limited powers. The United Kingdom is in a very similar…

Ah, the "a republic isn't a democracy" trope. That debunked so often, I won't even go there here. You're right with the french revolution so. Doesn't change the fact the French supported the US a lot. And yes, the French Revolution is seen, rightly so if you ask me despite the Terror and so on, as the first real modern democracy in Europe. At a time when Europe was reigned by Kings and Emperors. A side note, I really…

> A side note, I really don't get why Napoleon is seen in such bad light.

I’m really surprised that he isn’t more often seen in a bad light. He started a gigantic war, mobilized millions to expand an empire, crowned himself emperor, etc…

When do we draw the line? I think as a society we are very hypocritical and nonsensical in who we venerate. People were having serious discussions about how “offensive” the Lincoln Memorial was… yet nobody is clamoring for removing statues of Napoleon? I’m just not following the logic in any of this.

> Ah, the "a republic isn't a democracy" trope. That debunked so often, I won't even go there here.

Debunked in what way? The founding fathers (to their shame in my view) were explicit in creating a republic system and gave only certain people such as landowners and men the right to vote. Republicanism is a form of democracy, but it stands in stark contrast to what the person you are replying to is talking about which is a “might makes right” 51-49 wins kind of democracy, which if you look at Congress the founders set up explicitly to counteract. Now, the OP may be making a mistake in terminology, but it’s very clear that the founders were against simple majority. Frankly, I have to say I am too, because a 51-49 kind of country quickly falls apart. You can see elements of that at play today.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by h2odragon »

netcan wrote: post #325

What's missing here, IMO, is a party. Who's with him? Do you have defectors from the 2 parties? Independents or popular figures joining up? Candidates being stood? A political party is not a manifesto, it's an organisation. I actually think there's room for a party to start gaining ground in the US. There are so many elected offices that the surface area is huge. Great for "guerilla tactics." IE, earning easy victori…

A political party in the USA needs an engaged, interested, reliable representative for every single county election commission, at the very least.

The Libertarians don't have that. The Greens never bothered with rural areas. The Perot believers and the Tea Parties had boots enough but no co-ordination.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by JohnL4 »

Karto wrote: post #158

The top line, "Not Left. Not Right. Forward." kind of reminds me of Macron's "En Marche" ("Let's Go") that took over France in a storm, taking over the presidency AND the parliament only one year after its foundation, with very few previously known political figures in its ranks. The whole thing looked like doing management rather than politics, and offered an alternative to fed-up voters who didn't dare turn to the…

Reminds me of the "No Labels" crew in the US. Sounded good for a while, but....

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by Dumblydorr »

Barrin92 wrote: post #208

Not exactly sure what to make of this, conceptually it just sounds like 90s era Clintonite/Thatcherite consensus with some ranked voting and other stuff thrown in. The reason why the US is polarized (and most other places to a slightly lesser degree) is because that quadrant of the political spectrum is dead[1], and people have overall grown tired of this liberal (in a broad sense of the term) anti-politics which aim…

I disagree on the reason for polarization. Your reasoning is more a symptom than the cause, which is the media/information sphere. Most people are silo'd into increasingly polarized and misinformed information diets. Fox news, huffpost, Breitbart, donald.win, rush Limbaugh, the young Turks -- we all know people who have fallen into these types of news sources and are unable to moderate their views. They see entertainment as truth and triggering bait as news.
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