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Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by Factorium »

We've already experimented with UBI in 2020 and seen the result:

- Huge levels of fraud (applications from overseas scammers for state unemployment benefits etc.)

- Widespread shortages of entry-level workers

- Massive inflation and economic dislocation

Instead of UBI, we should just stop illegal immigration, and support deportations, which will increase wages and lower cost of living (real estate) pressures. Exactly like the Trump policies of 2019 which saw the lowest Black unemployment rate in history...

Soup kitchens and homeless shelters, universal free and available contraception/abortions, and stopping the incentivization of single motherhood with via increased welfare benefits, will better deal with poverty in the short and long terms.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by dylkil »

Factorium wrote: post #161

We've already experimented with UBI in 2020 and seen the result: - Huge levels of fraud (applications from overseas scammers for state unemployment benefits etc.) - Widespread shortages of entry-level workers - Massive inflation and economic dislocation Instead of UBI, we should just stop illegal immigration, and support deportations, which will increase wages and lower cost of living (real estate) pressures. Exactly…

> which will increase wages and lower cost of living (real estate) pressures.

this is nonsense

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by fighterpilot »

torginus wrote: post #142

Does the 3rd party make sense in the US election system? My impression was that 3rd parties are unhelpful, since they steal voters from ideologically similar parties, thus helping the opposition.

After Ross Perot's modest success in 1992 I think a very charismatic person could do it. But Yang lacks charisma and the mainstream media hates him (remember MSNBC and CNN editing him out of 30 infographics, which Yang says is intentional) so I don't think he can pull it off at the end of the day, even though his ideas are the ones that could actually unite the country.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by roenxi »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #102
lalaland1125 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ranked choice has a lot of advantages over the alternatives that are often underestimated by people too worried about theory. The big advantage of ranked choice is that it is simple to understand and implement. In elections, it is essential that the average person understand exactly how the system works. An election result that people don't understand/trust is worse than useless.

That's a reason I like approval voting. It's easier to consider what your ballot's effect will be. That's hard with IRV.

Ironically, although no individual would want it, it is probably a good thing that it is hard to tell what a ballot's effect will be.

If the situation is close the best outcome may be a somewhat random outcome. Having 1,000 extra votes determine the outcome is just as arbitrary as anything else.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by dylkil »

jagrsw wrote: post #159

".. because our founding fathers .." It's interesting to see that all sides of political dispute in US, even parties (like this one) which want to cater to the seemingly more rational and less emotional part of the populace use the argument of "the founding fathers wanted it this way, so... that must be the correct way of doing things forever".

thats the result of making millions of people pledge to a flag every morning when they were kids

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by shostack »

FFRefresh wrote: post #32

I'll admit some degree of ignorance on all of the considerations with introducing a new party. But on a surface-level, I welcome more competition for ideas/platforms/parties in the American political system. My naive fantasy would be that an increased number of viable parties would have a knock-on effect of reducing polarization/tribalization in American political discourse, and hopefully spur bottoms up thinking on…

Unfortunately he's more likely to attract some, but not enough Democratic voters. That could hinder Democratic candidates in an upcoming election.

Same reason the GOP live the Green party.

Getting

Republicans

Elected

Every

November

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

aazaa wrote: post #2

The Platform page lists a selection of positions that I think would not be very controversial. https://www.forwardparty.com/platform Surprisingly, the issue that Yang is known for, UBI, is not on the list. UBI is, however, present here: https://www.forwardparty.com/whyforward I wonder if that was accidental.

Is there anything that's not "controversial" in American politics? Has the whole "evolution" thing been settled yet?

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by OoTheNigerian »

Factorium wrote: post #161

We've already experimented with UBI in 2020 and seen the result: - Huge levels of fraud (applications from overseas scammers for state unemployment benefits etc.) - Widespread shortages of entry-level workers - Massive inflation and economic dislocation Instead of UBI, we should just stop illegal immigration, and support deportations, which will increase wages and lower cost of living (real estate) pressures. Exactly…

Were Nigerians (allegedly) the only ones making fraudulent applications? Why is it only Nigeria you could use as an example?

Perpetuating nasty cliché tropes lead to stereotyping. Perhaps, that's your intention or not, but I just need to inform you and your ilk, that anytime a Nigerian is unfairly discriminated against off or online, you contributed to it.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by disneygibson »

jagrsw wrote: post #159

".. because our founding fathers .." It's interesting to see that all sides of political dispute in US, even parties (like this one) which want to cater to the seemingly more rational and less emotional part of the populace use the argument of "the founding fathers wanted it this way, so... that must be the correct way of doing things forever".

The moment that the Founding Fathers cease to be the mythology glue holding the nation together will be the minute that the country fractures into 20 different nation-states.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by asdff »

Uehreka wrote: post #112
didibus wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I don't know if I buy this argument. The act of voting is just as easy, does anyone really care how the tally is calculated? With condorcet I think you can also visualize it nicely by playing a Head to Head thing and show ok A vs B, B wins. Ok B vs C, B wins, etc.

> does anyone really care how the tally is calculated? If the 2020 US election tabulation process is any indication, yes.

Those people will be angry and say the same things no matter what is done
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