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Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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The ex-employee wants Facebook to engage in more censorship, spying and control. That's their definition of helping people and democracy. Like Glenn Greenwald said: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1434854149087182848 >>The entire "anti-disinformation"/"anti-extremism" industry is a gigantic fraud, funded by the same tiny handful of billionaires, governments and NGOs: a scam to control discourse while feigning n…

It's ridiculous to think a platform that most of humanity uses can be controlled to the liking of the left, the right, the upside down and etc ... cause all those groups make up humanity and we all do not nor will ever think exactly the same and we all have different motives and biases.

Facebook is doing the thing that makes the most sense ... letting humanity be itself and profiting from it!

Also, disinformation / misinformation has been around since the dawn of time .. have you ever played the telephone game when in school... you tell one person your story .. they tell another and another tells another and etc. Sooner or later that story becomes closer to fiction then fact... throw in people's own personal motives and biases and it becomes just about fiction!

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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The ex-employee wants Facebook to engage in more censorship, spying and control. That's their definition of helping people and democracy. Like Glenn Greenwald said: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1434854149087182848 >>The entire "anti-disinformation"/"anti-extremism" industry is a gigantic fraud, funded by the same tiny handful of billionaires, governments and NGOs: a scam to control discourse while feigning n…

Frankly, Facebook doesn’t need to censor. They just need to rein in their algorithm that promote posts to people’s feeds. Watching the shorten 60 minute’s interview, I get the sense that’s the main problem. The algorithm promote stuff that maximizes “engagement” but the unfortunate side effect is that it sow division, reduces social trust, and creates civil unrest - among other side effects. Facebook’s own internal r…

You ever wondered why this specific whistleblower is testifying in front of Congress, while James Damore is unable to openly say where he works and Assange is still in jail despite the fact that the original witness againt him recanted and admitted to false statements, a crime in itself? Not to mention Snowden.

Strange.

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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It’s a fine balance that doesn’t work well with hyperbolic extremes like you’re painting. We don’t let people buy materials to make bombs but we don’t prevent farmers from buying fertilizer either. The answer is somewhere in between.

Where are the checks and balances to prevent that from happening? The public discourse is the system of checks and balances in a democracy that prevents that kind of authoritarian subversion. If you prevent people from speaking out and shape their opinions, who is able to say something when it goes too far? This is not an effort to aid democracy, it's a direct attack against it.

Facebook isn't a public discourse, more of an algorithmically curated news feed. How it curates it's news feed is a business practice, and unethical business practices should be curtailed by regulation.

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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The ex-employee wants Facebook to engage in more censorship, spying and control. That's their definition of helping people and democracy. Like Glenn Greenwald said: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1434854149087182848 >>The entire "anti-disinformation"/"anti-extremism" industry is a gigantic fraud, funded by the same tiny handful of billionaires, governments and NGOs: a scam to control discourse while feigning n…

It's ridiculous to think a platform that most of humanity uses can be controlled to the liking of the left, the right, the upside down and etc ... cause all those groups make up humanity and we all do not nor will ever think exactly the same and we all have different motives and biases. Facebook is doing the thing that makes the most sense ... letting humanity be itself and profiting from it! Also, disinformation / m…

If facebook merely showed the most recent posts in a timeline instead of letting an algorithm pick them, that might be a better argument.

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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The ex-employee wants Facebook to engage in more censorship, spying and control. That's their definition of helping people and democracy. Like Glenn Greenwald said: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1434854149087182848 >>The entire "anti-disinformation"/"anti-extremism" industry is a gigantic fraud, funded by the same tiny handful of billionaires, governments and NGOs: a scam to control discourse while feigning n…

Classifying reigning in massive disinformation campaigns and divisive propaganda as censorship is disingenuous at best.

>>Classifying reigning in massive disinformation campaigns and divisive propaganda as censorship is disingenuous at best.

This is the kind censorship I've personally been subjected to:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28411734

Meanwhile on Twitter, the "fact-checkers" are now taking it upon themselves to try to discredit tweets that make the leading personalities of the political left look bad:

https://i.ibb.co/N7XYpkH/Screenshot-20211005-081040-Facebook...

Like Greenwald said, it's a giant scam, with the "fact-checkers" amongst the most egregious purveyors of disinformation.

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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"In a statement issued after the hearing, Facebook said it did not agree with Ms Haugen's "characterisation of the many issues she testified about". But it did agree that "it's time to begin to create standard rules for the internet.""

Note the reframing from rules for social media to rules for the internet.

What are the chances the entire web, or even the entire internet, will be made to suffer as a result of the hubris of a few overgrown websites.

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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It's ridiculous to think a platform that most of humanity uses can be controlled to the liking of the left, the right, the upside down and etc ... cause all those groups make up humanity and we all do not nor will ever think exactly the same and we all have different motives and biases. Facebook is doing the thing that makes the most sense ... letting humanity be itself and profiting from it! Also, disinformation / m…

If facebook merely showed the most recent posts in a timeline instead of letting an algorithm pick them, that might be a better argument.

I guess but what I see on Facebook is all humanity within my circle doing what humanity does ..sharing their lives, varying opinions and etc

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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I agree with you. We need gatekeepers, not unsubstantiated nonsense from the lowest common denominator.

Gatekeepers are corruptable usual by money. The web was great previously because we lost the gatekeepers. Now we have 3-5 gatekeepers..facebook, twitter, google..

They're not gatekeepers, they're amplifiers. You can still make your own website and post whatever you want. The problem is what the amplifiers are amplifying.

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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The idea of viral news, where the masses somehow take the place of editorial control, is bananas. The average Jane simply has no mental energy to do it properly. No amount of algorithms and bureaucracy can paper over this fundamental reality. We need 5000 professional news outlets competing for the public's trust, not Facebook with a bureaucratic brain eating parasite.

I agree with you. We need gatekeepers, not unsubstantiated nonsense from the lowest common denominator.

> We need healthy journalism

Fixed that for you. Healthy as in: well supported and properly diversified. It's hard to run an editorialized outlet if you don't retain enough paying subscribers, or - yes - advertising. Good, critical, well-thought journalism can't happen for free.

As news outlets moved to the Web in a bid to reach larger audiences, they stumbled across three major roadblocks. The first is cost structure, where building and maintaining a digital infrastructure to gather news, manage the editorial process and publish turns out to be quite expensive. The second is that most people expect the Web to provide / share information for free. While that's an original core philosophy that pushed the Web during it's infancy, it falls flat in today's commercialized context.

Both problems are within control of a news outlet. With proper strategic planning, it's not impossible to build a flourishing news outlet.

And third / most important: discovery on the Web isn't equitable. Facebook, Google et al don't write / make the news. They make it discoverable. And no matter how you do it, which criteria and which methods are used, making content discoverable is at heart a process of curation.

Discovery is everything. And the basis for that is the hyperlink. If others don't link to your news outlet, well, then you might as well not exist. You might be yelling into the void as you keep on churning out articles on your website. The act of creating a hyperlink between two websites isn't neutral: it conveys intent, endorsement, recognition of authority and so on. "Sharing", "Posting a link" or "liking a post" aren't neutral actions in that regard, there's multi-layered human complexity that explains why a link got posted.

The cardinal sin committed by social media is choosing to strip away that complexity and replace it with overly simple, yet utterly empty metrics such as "engagement" which have steered the design of functionality, affordances and behavior of "news walls" and "timelines".

As a result, journalism has suffered for without the ability to be discovered by potential audiences, you can't survive. Many small outlets have disappeared over the past years. And many others of changed the tune of their content just to ensure their articles generate enough hyperlinks on social media to drive potential readership.

Democracy suffers without good and diverse journalism. The "marketplace of ideas" ought to be a shared place build on common understanding. Not walled gardens fostering the emergence of echo chambers as an externalized cost due to their drive for more "engagement".

Re: Facebook harms children and weakens democracy: ex-employee

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The ex-employee wants Facebook to engage in more censorship, spying and control. That's their definition of helping people and democracy. Like Glenn Greenwald said: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1434854149087182848 >>The entire "anti-disinformation"/"anti-extremism" industry is a gigantic fraud, funded by the same tiny handful of billionaires, governments and NGOs: a scam to control discourse while feigning n…

It's ridiculous to think a platform that most of humanity uses can be controlled to the liking of the left, the right, the upside down and etc ... cause all those groups make up humanity and we all do not nor will ever think exactly the same and we all have different motives and biases. Facebook is doing the thing that makes the most sense ... letting humanity be itself and profiting from it! Also, disinformation / m…

> Facebook is doing the thing that makes the most sense ... letting humanity be itself and profiting from it!

It's my understanding that is not what is happening in regards to "humanity be itself" rather the narrative is controlled by Facebook themselves and that narrative is based on more profit engineering and social engineering rather that going with the natural flow.

That seems to be the problem.

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