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Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by worik »

matteodimaio wrote: post #118
ameetgaitonde wrote: post #90

Edit: I was wrong, he's doing exactly what I thought he wasn't. See Hannibalhorn's comment below for more details. I'm glad he supports Ranked-Choice Voting (RCV), but I think he's going about this the wrong way. Right now, he's creating a new third-party within an electoral system that effectively defaults to two existing and dominant parties. Those two parties currently control every federal and state legislature a…

Mixed member proportionate voting works well for NZ, in terms of allowing multiple political parties to gain significant representation… [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_re... ]

It has changed politics here, for sure. For the better

It has not made politics sensible

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by wonderwonder »

caeril wrote: post #81
seibelj wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US already received a more politically palatable form of UBI when the automatic child tax credit hit. Couples making up to 400k get money direct deposited every month per child. 0% chance this will ever be rescinded. I would say Yang introduced an issue single-handedly into the conversation and it was implemented quite quickly without any discussion because of the unique pandemic situation. Will be interesting to…

Yes, I got my child tax credit early. Moving application of a credit I normally get anyway up 6 months is exactly the same thing as UBI. Good point. I'm sure I'm going to appreciate this April 15th 2022 when my liability is much larger than usual because my credit was already paid out.

I went to the irs site and canceled mine. No interest in getting money during the year and then owing more come tax time.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by inglor_cz »

aazaa wrote: post #2

The Platform page lists a selection of positions that I think would not be very controversial. https://www.forwardparty.com/platform Surprisingly, the issue that Yang is known for, UBI, is not on the list. UBI is, however, present here: https://www.forwardparty.com/whyforward I wonder if that was accidental.

I think that term limits are becoming more important with longevity technology coming to the fore. While I do not believe that longevity technology is going stay in hands of the rich and powerful forever, they will surely be the first group that will use it extensively.

Even adding 15-20 years of working life would mean that 100 y.o. politicians or judges would become a normal occurrence. For Democrats: would you like to Amy Coney Barrett to serve until 2072? For Republicans: would you like Sonia Sotomayor to serve until 2054?

In politics, a long tenure is a huge advantage. We should probably act now, before the interests of the current stakeholders are too entrenched.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by timthorn »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #109
darkmatterrat wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They draw voters from the more aligned main party, causing that aligned main party to lose elections. That is the entire point! The mainstream political party won't address particular issues unless it feel that it position in power is threatened.

Does that actually work? How did Trump winning in 2016 help your average Green Party supporter? If anything, didn't Biden win by a larger margin against Bernie in 2020 than Hillary won against Bernie in 2016?

Yes, it can do. Without the real threat of UKIP taking votes from the Conservative Party in the UK, David Cameron would not have promised the in/out referendum on EU membership.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by vkou »

aazaa wrote: post #2

The Platform page lists a selection of positions that I think would not be very controversial. https://www.forwardparty.com/platform Surprisingly, the issue that Yang is known for, UBI, is not on the list. UBI is, however, present here: https://www.forwardparty.com/whyforward I wonder if that was accidental.

> The Platform page lists a selection of positions that I think would not be very controversial.

The positions may not be, but voting for anything but R or D is very controversial, because by voting third party in the US, you are helping the choice you like least win.

There is exactly zero chance that a third party will gain any meaningful amount of power, so all you are doing is throwing your vote away.

Maybe you're one of the five people in the country who don't actually care which of those two will win, but for some crazy reason still go to the polls - but if you're not one of those five, the best you can hope out of a third party is to produce better candidates in your preferred party's primary races.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by nivenkos »

inglor_cz wrote: post #133
aazaa wrote: post #2

The Platform page lists a selection of positions that I think would not be very controversial. https://www.forwardparty.com/platform Surprisingly, the issue that Yang is known for, UBI, is not on the list. UBI is, however, present here: https://www.forwardparty.com/whyforward I wonder if that was accidental.

I think that term limits are becoming more important with longevity technology coming to the fore. While I do not believe that longevity technology is going stay in hands of the rich and powerful forever, they will surely be the first group that will use it extensively. Even adding 15-20 years of working life would mean that 100 y.o. politicians or judges would become a normal occurrence. For Democrats: would you lik…

We don't have longevity technology yet though, only "keep you alive whilst you get dementia" technology. I wouldn't want to live over 90, maybe not even over 80 - but we'll see what changes by then.

I agree with term limits though, but mainly to ensure that the politicians better represent those working in the economy. So many issues come from politicians effectively being idle landlords - completely divorced from the issues caused by the housing crisis and the damage that comes from the subsequent lack of economic mobility.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by nivenkos »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #15
yur3i__ wrote: post #8

I did have interest in Andrew yang, but I think leaving the democratic party has drastically decreased his chances of making significant political moves unfortunately

It is obvious he is not interested in moves that can be made as part of the Democratic Party

Then he should have focussed on electoral reform from within the party, because this is going nowhere with FPTP and the 2 party system.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by sdenton4 »

anonporridge wrote: post #70
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ranked choice seems to be the best one I've read about. Could you help us understand what voting system might be better?

Approval voting is one I think would be slightly better, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting The problem is that it appears at first glance to defy the idea of "one person, one vote", so it might be harder to convince people of. More systems here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system

One person, one vote per candidate...
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