A Facebook login is required to read an explanation to the public? I get a login/password screen... There is probably a good quip there about the psychology involved in placing a response on a private forum, but the effect for Facebook is I will not see their response.
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end algorithmic recommendations
Ah yes. Get rid of Pandora and GoodReads because what they're doing has basically the outcome.
Granularity matters. Social feed granularity is small enough that an algorithm, even primitive, can sketch an arbitrary narrative on the spot by juxtaposing unrelated items, akin to a ransom note built from letters cut off from different publications. Pandora and especially GoodReads have large granularity, making it difficult to employ in the same manner.
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#363fake news machine.
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#364I don't get why Twitter always gets a free pass on the harms from misinformation. I have seen so much fake news around vaccines, election integrity on there not to mention that it's the nexus of woke cancellation mobs. I think it's because Twitter is seen as doing more (banning Trump, putting notifications on posts), but is that actually the case relative to what FB is doing?
> I don't get why Twitter always gets a free pass on the harms from misinformation.
Twitter is where all main stream journalists are. They are not going to bite the hand that "feed" them. Facebook on the other hand has still some amount of non political correctness on their platform so that's something main stream media who wants to control speech online cannot stand.
> I think it's because Twitter is seen as doing more (banning Trump, putting notifications on posts), but is that actually the case relative to what FB is doing?
Twitter certainly has a tighter moderation when it comes to "moderating" alleged conservative speech, yes, which is what matters to the former camp.
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#365I'm having a hard time reconciling all this right now. On the one hand, from the outside, I can see the actions that Facebook takes and they seem awfully guilty of what they are accused of. But on the other hand, I personally know and have previously worked with some of the people who work on trust and safety, specifically for kids. Good people who have kids of their own and who care about protecting people, especial…
"The best I can come up with is that Facebook is so big that the "evil" is an emergent property of all the different things that are happening."
I half agree. I do in fact think its ben baked in from the get go, just that there was a period where it was not an obvious pillar; you could in fct do all kinds of essentially innocuous things and accept some surveillance capitalism with awareness of your wn liabilities.
It's now become so much larger and problematic, that the 'emergent property' is that every move adds weight to the need for the firms dismemberment into smaller units, or punishing regulatory limits. And I mean truly brutally, snap-noise making bone-breaking regulations.
"So maybe Zuck is telling the truth here, that they are trying to fix all this."
Nope. He knows if he wants to stay on top, he had t keep doing mpre of what hes done, and that his choices are otherwise to actually adapt, which he will not do.
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Honestly, it sounds like he is completely disconnected from reality.
Not just that, it sounds child-like. I have trouble imagining someone who went to Harvard writing that way, even if they did drop out.
That's fairly amusing given in the thread above this someone is absolutely certain that he didn't write it and that it was written by PR, Comms and lawyers.
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The person who mentions the banality of evil, dannykwells, has an excellent point. But there's more at play here. I briefly worked on Twitter's anti-abuse engineering. Many of the people on that team cared a lot about protecting people. I sure did. But we didn't have the necessary power to actually solve the problem. The people who did have that power were senior execs. They might say that they cared. In their heart…
There is a phenomenon I have witnessed working both in high growth startups and traditional Fortune 500s. At some point, the company starts attracting Dark Triad personality types that cement themselves in upper management positions, usually starting at Director level. These people are extremely dangerous, one of them had access to my corporate laptop (as was standard policy for that company) and would torment me by…
For sure. A friend at Apple says that it was much better to work at when it was not as successful. Now that they have large piles of money, it attracts people who seek proximity to large piles of money.
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#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
The person who mentions the banality of evil, dannykwells, has an excellent point. But there's more at play here. I briefly worked on Twitter's anti-abuse engineering. Many of the people on that team cared a lot about protecting people. I sure did. But we didn't have the necessary power to actually solve the problem. The people who did have that power were senior execs. They might say that they cared. In their heart…
This is a place where the founder-CEO-demigod like Zuck should able to make better decisions than a professional team like Twitter. The long term profit maximization strategy was to maximize profits only up to the point where you risk getting regulated by government. With all the fawning praise of him as a kid I don’t think Zuck envisioned that one day both Democrats and Republicans would be united in their desire to…
"The long term profit maximization strategy was to maximize profits only up to the point where you risk getting regulated by government." That is correct, but as with Wall ST, the addiction to the gamble has long been unhinged by an environment that has been lax on regulatory options...so when the blowback actually hits, it will not be just painful it will likely come on the tail end of a ragnarok-grade event that will likely shank the whole industry for a generation because current C-suites are so far up their own asses they can take direct inventory of the last few days of meal plans.
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#370I'm having a hard time reconciling all this right now. On the one hand, from the outside, I can see the actions that Facebook takes and they seem awfully guilty of what they are accused of. But on the other hand, I personally know and have previously worked with some of the people who work on trust and safety, specifically for kids. Good people who have kids of their own and who care about protecting people, especial…
I don’t think the existence of good people or what any one’s intentions are matter at all. I doubt anyone can change the course or Facebook. The stock price runs the show.