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Facebook Whistleblower Leaks Thousands of Pages of Incriminating Internal Docs

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Post by finfinfin »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #524
finfinfin wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amplification not in the electrical signal amplification sense but rather in the sense of amplifying the message. Facebook is giving more visibility to content that it considers more engaging, even if that content leads to harmful outcomes (it’s own research proves that).

You were making a point regarding phone-operated sex trafficking. Your characterization of what the phone company should do was what I contended. While, I'm aware that this was made as a broader point regarding Facebook, amplifying a signal and amplifying a message isn't functionally different. Television is an example of where both are happening. Even Twitter and Tiktok engage in amplification every time there's som…

Right. In the case of phone-operated sex trafficking I don't think amplification is even an option. It's not like phone companies are deciding what phone calls you should be receiving today and are lining them up for you to take part in. So they don't involve algorithmic manipulation (or optimization for engagement), unlike Facebook or other social media.

In my parent post I was giving an example of an absurd imaginary situation with phone companies attempting to amplify sex trafficking by directly deciding who will participate in the conversation for the purpose of increasing engagement.

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Post by playguardin »

jimkleiber wrote: post #183
woeirua wrote: post #77

I think a lot of people are choosing to ignore that a lot of companies have done things in the past that were not illegal at the time of action. However, those actions were later decided to be made illegal because the behavior was deemed to be antithetical to our values. For example, Standard Oil did not break any laws in its ruthless consolidation of the nascent oil industry. In fact, it exploited the law to allow i…

I really appreciate this point. I often see it as written rules (laws) and unwritten rules (ethics). If something breaks the unwritten rules we have about how people are supposed to interact with each other, then we often codify that rule into law. Many people will say "I didn't break the law" but where many people would say that person did break an unwritten law. > There should be no question, that what FB is doing…

If Congress invites you to speak without fear of arrest and the main stream media hold you up as a darling then you are NOT a whistleblower. You are doing the bidding of power... If you are exiled to Russia (Snowden) or locked up without trial like Assange THEN you are whistlw blower and dangerous to power. This chick is a shill

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Post by pangolinplayer »

woeirua wrote: post #77

I think a lot of people are choosing to ignore that a lot of companies have done things in the past that were not illegal at the time of action. However, those actions were later decided to be made illegal because the behavior was deemed to be antithetical to our values. For example, Standard Oil did not break any laws in its ruthless consolidation of the nascent oil industry. In fact, it exploited the law to allow i…

If Congress invites you to speak without fear of arrest and the main stream media hold you up as a darling then you are NOT a whistleblower. You are doing the bidding of power... If you are exiled to Russia (Snowden) or locked up without trial like Assange THEN you are whistlw blower and dangerous to power. This chick is a shill

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Post by fullshark »

the_snooze wrote: post #68
jasondigitized wrote: post #38

Now do the same for CNN, Fox News and every other sophisticated media company who have all created Skinner boxes to get more eyeballs. The entire system needs a hard examination.

This is straight-up deflection. It makes sense to start somewhere, so why not the biggest player in town? That would be Facebook, with billions of active users. None of those cable channels are even close to 100s of millions of viewers.

Considering the claim that FB committed securities fraud based on the evidence we've seen so far is pretty laughable, it appears her testimony is designed to encourage new laws and regulations for (social in particular) media companies. As such a conversation about the industry at large and its practices makes sense.

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Post by 015a »

an-allen wrote: post #323
015a wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't like Oxycontin, just don't use Oxycontin, Dilaudid, or Fentanyl. Don't know why so many people here think adults are not capable of regulating themselves.

Chemical Addiction != scrolling facebook

Of that, we are in agreement; one is popping a pill which releases chemicals in your brain which over time correlate with a measurable reduction in quality of life; the other is interacting with an app which releases chemicals in your brain which over time correlate with a measurable reduction in quality of life.

Definitely on the same page; not a strict mathematical equivalence.

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Post by hunterb123 »

munk-a wrote: post #513
erosenbe0 wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the appropriate middle though? Think about alcohol culture. Should we ban beer commercials on TV? Only allow beer commercials with talking frogs rather than attractive young people having fun?

I'm honestly baffled over why beer commercials are considered socially acceptable - but then again I think that advertising (in our modern interconnected world) only ever serves to drive overconsumption. If you want a beer - you go to the bevy and pick out a beer you'd enjoy... if I'm watching TV and the TV tries to make me want a beer - that's not a good thing. Good advertising[1] is limited to making sure your prod…

It's fine, only piss water beers advertise anyway.

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Post by fullshark »

q1w2 wrote: post #58
jasondigitized wrote: post #38

Now do the same for CNN, Fox News and every other sophisticated media company who have all created Skinner boxes to get more eyeballs. The entire system needs a hard examination.

I suspect the reaction from a lot of companies is going to be to lock down internal documents under a need-to-know security model.

Well if the precedent from this is any employee can leak whatever they want, violating their NDA and claim the company is committing securities fraud by having secrets why wouldn't they?

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Post by whatthesmack »

ahdeanz wrote: post #382
propogandist wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anything FB does against her will undermine the PR damage control campaigns underway. They may wait for all this to "blow over" and then try to go after her once their very expensive campaigns make some impact. It's more likely that they will collude with other big tech firm and lobby for aggressive legislation against whistleblowers to prevent something like this from ever happening. Edit -- there are reports sugges…

Coming in with the amplification of alt right conspiracy theorists hot take... How meta.

How is that "alt-right" (whatever that means) or a "conspiracy theory"?

It is a direct connection that would be looked into by anybody, including Facebook, who is investigating the information Frances leaked.

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Post by hatmatrix »

woeirua wrote: post #77

I think a lot of people are choosing to ignore that a lot of companies have done things in the past that were not illegal at the time of action. However, those actions were later decided to be made illegal because the behavior was deemed to be antithetical to our values. For example, Standard Oil did not break any laws in its ruthless consolidation of the nascent oil industry. In fact, it exploited the law to allow i…

Agreed. Facebook has a fiduciary duty to it's shareholders to maximize profits. Unfortunately, it's up to the government to create legal boundaries to prohibit the means by which they can do that.

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Post by int_19h »

bregma wrote: post #405
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've slowly seen an alternate interpretation promulgated by many: anything that is not illegal is ethical. The endpoint is practically the same (anything legal is ethical and vice versa) but it arguably makes for a worse society.

We've also seen, sometimes in high places, the third way of "it's illegal and unethical but I can get away with it."

“For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.”
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