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Post by culpable_pickle »

cannabis_sam wrote: post #121
scardycat wrote: post #91

Just in time manufacturing contributes a lot to this shortage. We rely so much on integrated supply chain logistics, the pandemic clearly brought in to focus the "optimizations" of JIT manufacturing. The lack of local supply pools as buffer is so short sighted.

If computer network technology had been built on the same shortsighted business logic we would never have had the internet.. Imagine a link-layer protocol without any buffers, no retransmissions or any kind of resilience, built on the most optimistic estimates; that’s essentially what the “business world” has built with their irrational philosophy based around “the market”..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol would like a word

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by formerly_proven »

Qub3d wrote: post #113
joezydeco wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a niche part and you shouldn't be surprised if it's discontinued soon. Think about migrating your design. I'm starting to see end-of-life notices for a lot of parts that I wouldn't normally see at their age, but if they're low runners that would totally make sense. If you see lead times longer than a year, that's your early warning.

I imagine one end result of this supply squeeze is that a lot of bespoke or legacy parts will be finally removed from designs that have up until now been "good enough". To cite the most common example, vehicle manufacturers' most common supply pain-point is ICs built on a ~200nm process, which was state of the art between 1996-2000. I understand it makes sense to move slower for chips embedded in long-life devices, a…

There are one to two multimedia SoCs in a car. There are hundreds to thousands of mixed-signal and power ASICs in a car. Those are on large nodes, not because they're outdated, but because that's what you use for power and mixed signal. TSMC N7 is great for that 2 GHz ARM quad-core SoC, but garbage when you need to drive a piezo fuel valve.

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Post by wyager »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #58
skocznymroczny wrote: post #53

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Clear data? How many people get tested for influenza? How many people which had influenza got tested for covid and got a positive result? If I went to my doctor last winter, told him I have strong fever and cough, he'll either send me to get a PCR test for covid, or no test, just tell me it's probably covid and I should stay home and monitor symptoms. In such case most flu cases would just be assumed covid, and that'…

More profound misunderstanding. Influenza tests exists and are deployed at scale. In the US, I assure you that anyone in the hospital with a high fever of unknown origin is tested for several influenza variants. No one just "assumes" covid. That is total and complete nonsense. We have clear data on influenza hospitalizations (edit: and deaths) and the numbers are way way down.

> No one just "assumes" covid.

There were many months where PCR tests were not available to hospitals and the CARES act gave hospitals extra money for covid cases, so hospitals obviously set the policy of “anyone with some covid symptoms is to be considered a covid case”.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by laumars »

Spooky23 wrote: post #133
mrtksn wrote: post #96

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I keep seeing that argument every single time and keep wondering, isn’t there reason to implement JIT? Something like cost benefits outweigh the resilience risks? It’s not like people start dying on the streets, simply things are getting expensive and hard to get during disturbances. Are there calculations demonstrating that JIT the risks of optimization are more harmful than helpful in the long run?

JIT is a boogeyman in some cases. Ultimately it doesn’t make sense to stockpile parts most of the time for financial and other reasons. If Intel had a warehouse of 1Gb chips, they would have a disincentive to invest in 10Gb, for example. The dysfunction is the accounting games that companies are incentivized to keep stuff off of their books. Every company wants to look like a software company and avoid stuff like inv…

Ironically the biggest two IT companies in the world, Apple and Amazon, are ones that go out of their way to control the entire supply chain.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by cannabis_sam »

culpable_pickle wrote: post #161
cannabis_sam wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If computer network technology had been built on the same shortsighted business logic we would never have had the internet.. Imagine a link-layer protocol without any buffers, no retransmissions or any kind of resilience, built on the most optimistic estimates; that’s essentially what the “business world” has built with their irrational philosophy based around “the market”..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol would like a word

Ouch, thanks for the pushback!

But isn’t it called tcp/ip for a reason?

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by stragies »

nimbius wrote: post #140

somewhat related, but can anyone tell me why PCEngines specifically use Intel nics in their ALIX systems? surely realtek and other players have caught up to them by now for the performance envelope of the board.

Afaik, the Intel Network cards are more like dedicated CPUs, that can run various "programs", one of which is "standard, fully-transparent network card".

If signed with the right key, some can run entire stacks, such as iSCSI, FCoE and others. The Multiport ones can do switching, filtering, and some basic routing in hardware. The "other" operating system is totally unencumbered by this.

This is routinely used by e.g. Intel AMT/ME, which programs the network card to reroute some destination ports to (in this case internal) recipients (the ME-processor).

That feature is what makes out-of-band management possible for people having added the right keys to ME, or knowing one of the preinstalled ones.

And as a HW-Vendor you never know; maybe your client might one day want to use these "offloading" features. Maybe he just doesn't know it yet...

So when the good offer from Intel comes in, you go for it.

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Post by cactus2093 »

X-Istence wrote: post #155
lbriner wrote: post #126

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How are non-ICs in short-supply? Did I miss a whole story about supply chain problems or is it literally that overall demand has maxed out overall supply and most people don't have the means to increase production?

If you look at the various ports, the ships are waiting to enter so that they can offload. There's a lack of shipping options available to get items to the US in the first place, that means that various bits and bobs necessary to manufacture a widget aren't available because they are stuck in a shipping container somewhere around the world and there is no available space to put it on a ship.

Yep outside of a few industries that have specific supply constraints (like semiconductors) the broad shortages are mostly due to the ports. They have zero room to absorb the additional demand thanks to the longshoreman unions having blocked all opportunities for automation and efficiency improvements over the past couple decades, so a record number of ships are waiting at anchor for many days if not weeks outside of major US ports.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by genericone »

ericbarrett wrote: post #134
makomk wrote: post #118

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Not using just in time manufacturing might help with short-term disruptions, but we're approaching the two year point on the pandemic and the associated global disruptions and it's just not realistic to keep enough stock in for that long. The current generation of stuff like CPUs and GPUs hasn't even been released and in production for that long...

I agree, but if a manufacturer has the means (physical and budgetary) to store a significant supply of components, they can order larger quantities with longer lead times, so they would still be more resilient in extended shortage situations.

Extended shortage situations account for fires/earthquakes/tsunamis/singularities, short events with long-term but predictable downstream effects. Extended shortage planning doesn't account for 2 year-long political-struggles, which requires something more like war-time planning, spending, and the inevitable waste from stockpiling.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by yread »

kogepathic wrote: post #152
yread wrote: post #125

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indeed, I'm shopping for a laptop and Hp firefly 14 g8 has est. delivery mid march

I ordered an HP ProBook in April 2021 and I'm still waiting. The original delivery was scheduled for July, and that's been pushed back twice now. A few weeks ago they emailed me saying the AX200 is unavailable and my choice was Realtek WiFi, or cancel my order. I'm seriously wondering if they'll ever deliver. I might cancel my order if Ryzen 6000 is released before they manage to ship.

I have 2 lenovos here to try them out. Carbon with ax201 and p14s with realtek. The realtek is about twive slower with my wifi

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by szundi »

the-dude wrote: post #3
brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

Manufacturers were anticipating lower demand due to COVID effects, not lockdowns per se. It is not like life would have continued uninterrupted without lockdowns.

This. And then when people started buy more cars instead of less, the automotive industry squeezed out all silicon for themselves with their contracts and power. Here we are from other industries without a single chip, while the car manufacturers probably are sitting on 2 years of supplies now.
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