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Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Oh please, is it that hard to believe she was just repulsed at what she saw while working there? Pretty cynical to believe she has a hidden agenda.

>Pretty cynical to believe she has a hidden agenda. She openly calls for more censorship, at least that agenda isn't even hidden.

It's a live program, so I missed that part. What content does she want censored?

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Isn't anti-authoritarian typically considered a leftist position? So the opposite of what you are saying?

That is what Gen X and later were taught when the right was in fact authoritarian. But then the left also included people like Stallman and Chomsky. Now we have a radical intransigent left again, and a brief look at the former Eastern Bloc shows us the end game of these people. I do not think that the "elite" leftists want a proletarian revolution though. They would like the exploitative China model, where bureaucrat…

> a brief look at the former Eastern Bloc shows us the end game of these people.

.. the use of nominally "democratic" elections to install far-right "populist" authoritarian leaders ?

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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I fundamentally do not understand how we've gotten to a point where social media has become anything other than a completely optional indulgence that we engage with in our free time to gain not-critical ephemeral pleasure out of.

This cultural addiction to social media has caused us to throw our beliefs and convictions right out the window. People on HN are talking about breaking up Facebook, passing new "social media use" laws, and every other imaginable way of ignoring the reality that none of this is important.

You can log out of Facebook/Twitter/HN/Reddit/TikTok/Instagram and be completely rid of their influence on you. You could do that right now if you wanted. You could start an alternative social media company that solves these problems "the right way" and force these companies via competition to address these issues.

There are a million ways any person in the world could completely solve this problem for themselves, but we'd rather discuss forcing a privately owned corporation into doing things that aren't profitable or wise for itself?

I know the mob has decided it's entitled to the services offered by Facebook (e.g. WhatsApp), but that doesn't mean you actually are entitled to those services, regardless of how ubiquitous they are. Your complacency is not Facebook's fault or problem.

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> The focus of many shipping conversations is how to address even unmeasured potential risks to these metrics. A huge number of experiments are run specifically targeted at improving these metrics. How do you run tests on unmeasured metrics?

How to "address", not "test". For example, you can add logging for specific cases or patterns that you expect to be problematic. You can spot check scores on individual ranked entities. You can do additional analysis or run experiments on certain subsets of the userbase to measure the impact on important groups of users.

How do you "measure the impact on important groups of users"?

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Nobody seems to care to look at the actual data she provided. It's weak imo. 15% of teens say FB makes their lives worse, 34% say it makes their lives better , and 51% say neither. This is an online poll. Among teens who are depressed, more say that FB/IG has a negative impact. Well ok, a more negative response is exactly what you'd expect from people who are reporting to be depressed. Then there's the supposed impac…

It has made my life worse. And I know of people who agree.. Maybe you don't use it? It's highly political, divisiveness is obvious. Maybe you simply don't use or analyze it, so obvious things about it aren't obvious to you

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Soda, vaping and cigarettes are also harmful to kids and some could argue all media outlets are harmful to democracy with bias. Not defending facebook just calling out the hypocrisy. Parents: If you think facebook is harmful discipline your kids. Easier said than done but nobody said parenting is easy. Adults: Use common sense, facebook is not free, they sell your data. I have a feeling if yo use FB you dont care or…

OK everyone, go home. Problem solved. That was really simple, thanks for explaining, dnndev.

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Have you ever considered the possibility that people just don’t think what you’re saying makes sense?

Have you ever considered the possibility that sense is not objective? If you need reminding, sensible opinion was that masks didn't work. If you need reminding, sensible opinion was that a lab leak was impossible. If you need reminding, sensible opinion was that a vaccine wouldn't come for years. On and on. Sense is inherently subjective. You are subject to the same flaws of logic and reasoning as anyone else. People…

The way I used the word "sense" was in relation to "rationality" and not "feelings". With that definition of "sense", it can certainly be said to be objective.

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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So the original claim should have been "nothing is a business model, everything is a crime"?

Do you think that's the most charitable interpretation of the original claim?

The original claim wasn't coherent, that's my point.

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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There have been a lot of people advocating for the death of the cult of celebrity and the narcissism it breeds in society, so maybe yes?

I am not against I am just saying there is no legal base to make an example out of Facebook when our entire culture operates the same way.

False equivalence is an easy fallacy to fall prey to -- this is not the same thing. It is similar and in the same domain, but hardly equal.

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> I do want Facebook harmed So much hate... Has Facebook really caused that much suffering to you? Seriously, just don't use it if you don't like it. For most people, it's just a social network where they post innocuous stories and stay connected with their friends.

That's the dismissive rhetoric that got us here. At this point we know that Facebook intentionally manipulates people's moods and behavior... and it's impossible for the average person to be aware of how they're being manipulated, because it's proprietary Facebook data. The algorithm itself is likely so complex that no individual within Facebook understands the full impact of it. They hire researchers to study the ou…

Everything around us is designed to manipulate our mood and behavior.

* The Oreo's packing looks so inciting but the food offers nearly 0 nutritional value.

* The ad for that new game looks so cool but my time would but better spent on almost anything else.

* That car is so fast but it would be cheaper and better for the environment to drive a Prius.

I would rather have the freedom to choose poorly than have the Government trying to micro-manage all the choices in my life.

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