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Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Wow, what a headline, "can someone please think of the children?" and "we must protect our democracy!" combined into one. Well, I guess it's a good tactics to say something like that to the Congress to kinda force them to do something.

If there is a real issue with protecting children do you still get to say "think of the children!"?

No, the children will be commodified.

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes these are big forces, but they’re all pushing in different directions. Either way this is a bit of a straw man.

>Yes these are big forces, but they’re all pushing in different directions Are they though? All 3 of these groups have been pushing for only their narrative to be heard. Any other voice is misinformation at best and disinformation at worst.

If you feel this way, have you ever considered that you may be a victim of or participating in the dissemination of misinformation or disinformation?

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Something about this just feels really "off" to me. This is a "whistleblower" who is blowing the whistle on facebook not doing enough to control how you think. I don't want facebook or twitter or reddit or anybody else deciding what it's okay for me to talk about or think about. I gather that this woman does, but the framing that she is just "whistleblowing" is absurd to me. It's also extremely weird to me that she's…

Seems like the point is that Facebook already "controls" how people think, and that their incentives are miss-aligned in a way that this is leading to public harm.

EDIT: Or at least miss-aligned so that they are perpetuating the harm-causing aspects of the system and not addressing them(if they can even be addressed at all).

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whistleblowers are anti-authoritarian, which is typically a right wing/conservative position in contemporary politics. To the people downvoting me here: can you list some figures who have been protesting authoritarianism who are left-coded in contemporary American society? I'm thinking of wikileaks, edward snowden, glenn greenwald. These people have all been "accused" of being right wingers. The people protesting loc…

Isn't anti-authoritarian typically considered a leftist position? So the opposite of what you are saying?

Depends on who currently is the authoritarian. Left wing authoritarians make right wing anti-authoritarians and vice versa.

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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The two best ideas I've heard: - Require age verification by law and ban kids from using it. We ban kids from alcohol we should ban them from this. - Require ID verification by law but allow people to use a fake name. Fixes the bots issue and the kid depression issue. The market isn't going to get there by itself because of competition. If insta implements this then they lose market share to snap. So there's a strong…

Both of those proposals would probably have the effect of making it nearly impossible to ever compete against something like instagram, and would cement their existing position.

We could probably make some requirements around age, and focus enforcement on the biggest players in the space. However if we require real ID verification, no is going to enter the space ever again and FB/Instagram may well continue to be dominant because of the high compliance cost.

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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Congress/courts need to enforce the laws which already exists. Facebook, Google, etc are making mountains of profit through other peoples information. It is time that those companies be required to pay their users a fee for using their(our) information.

Also, these companies are clearly not following section 230 and should not have immunity to civil lawsuits.

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whistleblowers are anti-authoritarian, which is typically a right wing/conservative position in contemporary politics. To the people downvoting me here: can you list some figures who have been protesting authoritarianism who are left-coded in contemporary American society? I'm thinking of wikileaks, edward snowden, glenn greenwald. These people have all been "accused" of being right wingers. The people protesting loc…

Isn't anti-authoritarian typically considered a leftist position? So the opposite of what you are saying?

Lenininism and its descendants confuse that issue (non-Leninist leftists often consider Leninism a right-wing ideology that borrows left-wing rhetoric, though.)

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

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post #45

I find it weird for a whistleblower to be so "lib", as the kids say. She said she 'loves' Facebook, and wants to fix it, not harm it. I don't want Facebook fixed and I do want Facebook harmed. I don't want the government to meddle with what types of things people can say online, I want them to ban the business model of stalking people online and selling intimate details of their lives. If the problem is Facebook choo…

> selling intimate details of their lives.

Both Facebook and Google have perfected the art of dodging this one with "we do not sell your personal information to anyone". No, it's far too valuable for that. Instead they'll hoard that information and only charge for fuzzy targeting and profiling. I mean, why would you sell the raw data and give away the goods? Even better, why sell the information to third parties when you can just ACQUIRE the third parties and absorb their profits? Duh, how do you get to be 150,000 employees by growing organically? You can't. Gotta gobble gobble.

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whistleblowers are anti-authoritarian, which is typically a right wing/conservative position in contemporary politics. To the people downvoting me here: can you list some figures who have been protesting authoritarianism who are left-coded in contemporary American society? I'm thinking of wikileaks, edward snowden, glenn greenwald. These people have all been "accused" of being right wingers. The people protesting loc…

Isn't anti-authoritarian typically considered a leftist position? So the opposite of what you are saying?

It's considered a liberal position, not a leftist position. Traditionally leftist political philosophy is aligned with central authority (strong federal government, marxixm, communism, etc.)

Whistle blowing is a lib position, but the conservatives have their own liberal movement as well with lib being the root of "libertarian", which in contemporary american political framing is right-aligned.

Re: Whistleblower to Congress: Facebook products harm kids and democracy

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whistleblowers are anti-authoritarian, which is typically a right wing/conservative position in contemporary politics. To the people downvoting me here: can you list some figures who have been protesting authoritarianism who are left-coded in contemporary American society? I'm thinking of wikileaks, edward snowden, glenn greenwald. These people have all been "accused" of being right wingers. The people protesting loc…

Isn't anti-authoritarian typically considered a leftist position? So the opposite of what you are saying?

The left is uber authoritarian; progressivism is an authoritarian philosophy about using state power to change the world and society.
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