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Re: Firefox 93

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Post by rahoulb »

Slightly off-topic but John Gruber has been writing about the new version of Safari[1] (and it's tabs and how they do or don't work) - and he linked back to some posts of his about Camino, which I'd forgotten about.

Camino was the Gecko engine from Firefox in a "proper" Mac UI (unlike Firefox at the time, which was their cross-platform XUL UI). I used to use it as my primary browser and I really liked it.

What killed it was Apple launching Safari - which didn't use Gecko, but instead used KDEs QT-based HTML engine. They named it Webkit, Google later used it for Chrome - then forking it - and leading to the situation we have today where the two QT-derived engines (Blink and, because of iOS, Webkit) dominate.

Personally, I still use Firefox, mainly because I would like there to be another option, but I also use Safari (and I quite like the colour in the header thing).

[1] https://daringfireball.net/2021/10/the_tragedy_of_safari_15_...

Re: Firefox 93

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Post by kadoban »

JonathanBeuys wrote: post #86
kadoban wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just set that environment variable permanently, I believe usually in your ~/.profile file or one of those. Let me know if you need more info.

Isn't ~/.profile also executed every time I start a shell?

Yes. But does it matter? That envirornment variable doesn't sound like it'll hurt anything. If you only run firefox via a desktop icon or the os menu, you could target it there instead if you prefer.

Re: Firefox 93

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Post by ComodoHacker »

streblo wrote: post #109
ComodoHacker wrote: post #98

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>isolated browser profiles Firefox can do that. Just run firefox -p. >tied to an account Is that really necessary?

> Is that really necessary? Yes, I'd like extensions, history, cookies, etc to be tied to the account and have them be isolated. I can't do that now.

You can. Firefox profiles are totally isolated, including extensions, history, cookies and everything else. Why this isn't enough for you?

You can log in into accounts in each profile, of course, if you want.

Re: Firefox 93

#134

Post by noteboom »

Spivak wrote: post #54
noteboom wrote: post #33

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Time is money, I'm sure some users visiting websites that don't have the luxury of being maintained by multinational corporations will experience issues as a result of this change. TLS certificates are also not trivial to set up or renew if you require a wildcard certificate.

Wildcard certificates are the much much easier case. You don't have to mess with your web server or routes at all. You just hook up certbot with your DNS provider and say "get me a cert for '*.mydomain.business", run the renew in a cronjob (which certbot does automatically by default now) and never touch it again. I've had certbot running for like 4 years with no interruption with this setup. The Venn Diagram of peop…

Not all DNS providers are supported by certbot, so sometimes it's impossible to automate. It's not infrequently that I come across sites with expired certificates nowadays.

And what of those who have left their old site (that has no need for TLS) online for years without ever knowing 'insecure' HTTP is being deprecated? I don't think their sites breaking and showing warnings should be acceptable when the security benefits are so marginal.

Re: Firefox 93

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Post by batterylow »

rahoulb wrote: post #131

Slightly off-topic but John Gruber has been writing about the new version of Safari[1] (and it's tabs and how they do or don't work) - and he linked back to some posts of his about Camino, which I'd forgotten about. Camino was the Gecko engine from Firefox in a "proper" Mac UI (unlike Firefox at the time, which was their cross-platform XUL UI). I used to use it as my primary browser and I really liked it. What killed…

Part of that journey is visualised here https://plotapi.com/gallery/posts/showcase/desktop-browser-m...

Re: Firefox 93

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Post by pram »

rahoulb wrote: post #131

Slightly off-topic but John Gruber has been writing about the new version of Safari[1] (and it's tabs and how they do or don't work) - and he linked back to some posts of his about Camino, which I'd forgotten about. Camino was the Gecko engine from Firefox in a "proper" Mac UI (unlike Firefox at the time, which was their cross-platform XUL UI). I used to use it as my primary browser and I really liked it. What killed…

I'm not sure how you arrive at Safari "killing" Camino. It was frankly always marginal. You had Mozilla, Firefox, and IE all available on OSX contemporaneously.

Re: Firefox 93

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Post by sgtfrankieboy »

gostsamo wrote: post #92
Lendal wrote: post #71

I hope we can turn off the "unsafe download" thing. I download files every day that I know are perfectly safe, precisely because the file will only ever be downloaded once, by me, because I just built it in Gitlab.

Isn't it still unsafe, because someone can intercept the downloaded file in transit?

That doesn't matter though, they will still download it either way.

Re: Firefox 93

#138

Post by lifthrasiir »

gpm wrote: post #116
lifthrasiir wrote: post #50

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Buy products [1] from the Mozilla Corporation if it's your concern. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/products/

That sounds like a way to fund development of their salable products, not firefox.

A browser has long been not a saleable product and buying side products is the closest thing you can do to fund its development. Not that it is satisfactory, but if you aren't doing that already then your complaints sound less credible IMO.

Re: Firefox 93

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Post by nanna »

secondcoming wrote: post #73
k4c9x wrote: post #27

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It's pronounced "jizzle".

That's unfortunate since 'jizz' is slang for semen.

Downvoters, it's true! At least in British English.

In Yinglish (Yiddish-English) jizzle would mean something like 'a drop of seamen'.

Re: Firefox 93

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Post by Nextgrid »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #138
gpm wrote: post #116

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That sounds like a way to fund development of their salable products, not firefox.

A browser has long been not a saleable product and buying side products is the closest thing you can do to fund its development. Not that it is satisfactory, but if you aren't doing that already then your complaints sound less credible IMO.

The Enterprise™ spends insane money on security products, lots of which are bordeline snake-oil. There's no reason a browser couldn't be part of that, especially considering it's at the front line when it comes to threats and could actually make a real difference.

Electron is also popular and Mozilla could produce a Firefox-based alternative (whose selling points could be performance/memory usage/battery life) and provide commercial support.

Is it going to sustain extravagant salaries & bonuses for the C-suite? Debatable. But it can absolutely be a suitable business paying reasonable salaries.

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