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Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by nicoburns »

goalieca wrote: post #8
the-dude wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturers were anticipating lower demand due to COVID effects, not lockdowns per se. It is not like life would have continued uninterrupted without lockdowns.

Every economic forecast I read in April 2020 assumed things would be open by q3/q4 last year.

Which was pretty stupid given that public health professionals (and indeed people here on HN) were forecasting the pandemic lasting a minimum of 18 months from around that time when it became clear that it wasn't going to be contained to China.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by antiSingularity »

CydeWeys wrote: post #5
brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

You've got that mixed up. The reason that supply chains are in disarray are because of the enormous disruption caused by Covid restrictions and lockdowns, not because people were literally dying of Covid on the job.

You could infer that if we hadn't acted the way we did, then what I described would have actually happened and things would be a lot worse. You could also infer that long-term and large-scale control of an airbourne respiratory virus through social means is ineffectual, and things would have been about the same anyway (from a death and disease standpoint).

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by antiSingularity »

eljimmy wrote: post #10
CydeWeys wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

It's true - China's numbers, unsurprisingly, really don't give light to how badly they were impacted. I remember reading about how they were building brand new hospitals to cope. Literally building a brand new hospital. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/pictures-china-builds-two-ho... Looking back on that, it's interesting to think about how that should have been a major warning sign of things to come for the rest of t…

They also released vidoes of people literally dropping in the street "with Covid".

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by tailspin2019 »

eljimmy wrote: post #10
CydeWeys wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

It's true - China's numbers, unsurprisingly, really don't give light to how badly they were impacted. I remember reading about how they were building brand new hospitals to cope. Literally building a brand new hospital. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/pictures-china-builds-two-ho... Looking back on that, it's interesting to think about how that should have been a major warning sign of things to come for the rest of t…

> Literally building a brand new hospital.

We built multiple temporary hospitals in the UK too. And albeit not so widely reported, temporary morgues.

To be honest I assumed a whole bunch of countries were doing this...

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

CydeWeys wrote: post #5
brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

How much this was due to organic behaviour changes in the population and how much was due to government regulations isn't clear to me at this point, only that it was both. Sweden and Denmark have ended all covid state restrictions afaik - anyone has data on how that affected productivity?

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

brink wrote: post #2

Whatever your opinion is about the lockdowns, there is one thing everyone should be able to agree on; they destabilize just about everything. I'm worried about people going hungry or not being able to heat their home this winter from the ripple effects.

Blaming lockdowns isn’t the full story. Demand for electronics is way, way up. Everything from people being bored at home to extra stimulus dollars has put extra demand on everything electronic.

The effect is amplified as companies are panic-buying every part they might possibly need for the next few years.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by tailspin2019 »

antiSingularity wrote: post #12
CydeWeys wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

You've got that mixed up. The reason that supply chains are in disarray are because of the enormous disruption caused by Covid restrictions and lockdowns, not because people were literally dying of Covid on the job. You could infer that if we hadn't acted the way we did, then what I described would have actually happened and things would be a lot worse. You could also infer that long-term and large-scale control of a…

I think the parent was more making the point that however we chose to deal with the pandemic, it was difficult to avoid disruption to the supply chain.

I guess the potential nuance is, blaming it on "lock downs" gets vaguely political whereas blaming it on the root cause, the pandemic, puts emphasis on the wider point that any actual pandemic of this magnitude is of course going to disrupt the worlds supply chain one way or another.

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by [deleted] »

antiSingularity wrote: post #12
CydeWeys wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird to blame the lockdowns when the real cause was the pandemic. It's not like everyone was going to continually working normally in crowded spaces with people dropping like flies in the hospitals. China especially was hit so incredibly badly in that first wave; it was always gonna go pear-shaped no matter what.

You've got that mixed up. The reason that supply chains are in disarray are because of the enormous disruption caused by Covid restrictions and lockdowns, not because people were literally dying of Covid on the job. You could infer that if we hadn't acted the way we did, then what I described would have actually happened and things would be a lot worse. You could also infer that long-term and large-scale control of a…

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Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by mschuster91 »

qiqitori wrote: post #9
formerly_proven wrote: post #4

Currently working on a new design for a client, it's quite a pain. Lots of things, even mundane things like connectors and such are out of stock / low stock and usually quite a bit more expensive.

I was looking to buy parallel EEPROMs (DIP) a couple days ago and found they were pretty expensive and mostly unavailable. I was wondering if that's because this type of IC is rather niche these days, or whether it's due to what's called the "chip shortage". If anyone knows or has an educated opinion, please let me know...

Probably because such ICs are rather niche indeed. Any way of re-architecting your system to use an SPI flash chip? If anything else fails, you could go the extreme route and get a microcontroller to "translate"...

Re: Lead time for new Intel NIC orders is quoted around 52 weeks

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Post by goalieca »

nicoburns wrote: post #11
goalieca wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every economic forecast I read in April 2020 assumed things would be open by q3/q4 last year.

Which was pretty stupid given that public health professionals (and indeed people here on HN) were forecasting the pandemic lasting a minimum of 18 months from around that time when it became clear that it wasn't going to be contained to China.

They were using the model forecasts from the health community. We all knew it would become endemic but it was hard to forecast lockdowns would continue for so long.
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