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Is 40 the New 60?

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Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#41
I still bang on about software as a form of literacy - and although we still like (cheap, pliable) young gun authors, we need old grumpy editors.

Although I do agree about workplace "environment" - the sooner being in a union is like having https, the better.

It would have to look a bit like: https://www.tuc.org.uk/unions/nuj

Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#42
I've seen a few people fall off the career ladder to their doom in different fields. I once was a member of a local hackerspace and the place was like the Island of Misfit Toys. So many interesting and talented people biding there time there in between jobs and struggling to get back on the ladder. Lots of horror stories -- a homeless mechanical engineer, a couch surfing old programmer, etc. I think most of us are quite insulated from what really goes on around us, and the people that fall down hard often aren't heard from ever again. As Bukowski wrote:

"... our educational system tells us that we can all be big-ass winners.

it hasn't told us about the gutters or the suicides.

or the terror of one person aching in one place alone

untouched unspoken to

watering a plant."

Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#43
post #3

I'm 30s and feel old. The biggest thing is that I don't have the motivation to be fast and work extra hours. I look at the new college grads and remember those days when I didn't have a family and could put in extra hours, believing I had a career.

Trust me you have plenty of time, and your family is more important. Kids grow up fast though, so don't blink - you don't want to miss a thing.

Best skill is to manage your work time well and set boundaries. Working overtime is a sign of not having the right structures in place, and being disciplined about those boundaries is a force multiplier - it'll force you to be rigorous about what's valuable. You can make up for the lack of discipline by working overtime to an extent, but it's less effective.

Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#44

Not a fan of the way the author has framed this. The title reads as if it’s condoning that such discrimination is acceptable or understandable if age 60+.

I read it more than ageism towards 60+ is a well documented problen

Yeah, fair. But framing it that way further entrenches the problem, imo.

Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#45
post #30

I’m only 33 but I had 0 difficulty in finding employment, even a few months into Covid. However I’m also a ‘senior developer’ already, so there isn’t much room title wise to go in 7 years that isn’t management. But that’s also kind of expected. As a senior developer, I can code faster and better than our junior devs but more importantly I can teach them to be better by reviewing their code. As I get older I am spendi…

Do you local companies not have a staff/principal set of titles? They were once uncommon, but now I feel like most companies provide at least two or three levels beyond senior.

Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#46
I'm pushing 50 and its definitely harder to even get interviews compared to 30. As much as I dont like ageism, I get it because lots of the stuff I did 20-30 years ago is irrelevant. Coding now is completely different and I have to learn so much to keep up with industry trends I realistically have 5-10 years experience. Of course on the client relationship and project management side I have a lot of tricks that I think are valuable.

Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#47

40 is not the new 60. Not even close. At 40, I've done some of the best work I've ever done and my pay has been better than ever. I'm 52 now and the trend has only gotten better. Why? Its because at 40, I had a much deeper understanding of the tech, I understood of the whole business process and I had the maturity to deal with people in a productive way. You won't find all of those in a 25 year old developer. The onl…

>>> I've learned to be less of a jerk to people and how to communicate.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh..............

But that bit is so hard !

:-)

Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#48
You can hide your age online for a while, but when the kiddies find out you're an old fart they suddenly begin telling you how you think and feel about things, and will not listen if you attempt to correct them. The "Old dude" image in their head is so strong it blocks out the reality.

Its not just tech that has this problem; the rest of the world is getting there. I've seen hardware stores firing older people that know how to use what they sell; in exchange for young employees who'll work 4hr shifts at short notice.

Re: Is 40 the New 60?

#50
The tech industry wants young developers because they don't know all the employment exploitation tricks the older developers are too wise to fall for. Plus, the management class has no idea what we really do; we're just warm bodies to be worked hard and put down when no longer profitable. It is literally as simple as that.
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