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For those who like drone dystopia nightmare fuel, this video made me think of this disturbing modern weapon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM_Kargu :/

What defence could, say, a traditional military base, mount against a swarm of, say, 1000 of these?

I am neither American nor a gun nerd, but from what I "overheard" on the internet a single Phalanx system should be able to take out drone swarms at incredible rates?

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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post #45

For those who like drone dystopia nightmare fuel, this video made me think of this disturbing modern weapon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM_Kargu :/

What defence could, say, a traditional military base, mount against a swarm of, say, 1000 of these?

close the windows

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Not sure why it happened, the company claims that it was sabotaged by a competitor. If you want to read some more about how they work and how they're priced, I wrote about it here - https://propwash.nihalmohan.com/issues/are-drone-light-shows...

That might be a nice strategy to save face

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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post #45

For those who like drone dystopia nightmare fuel, this video made me think of this disturbing modern weapon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM_Kargu :/

What defence could, say, a traditional military base, mount against a swarm of, say, 1000 of these?

Launch their own swarm of drones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon_Coyote

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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```In the novel The Diamond Age, author Neal Stephenson posits a future in which the world is divided into competing nation-tribes, or phyles. The most powerful of these phyles have extensive nanotechnology capabilities, and use nanotech in various ways to gain an edge over their competitors and neighbors. Most notably, they create various sorts of airborne nanotech robots -- known as mites -- to infiltrate one another's territory and perform espionage or sabotage. Naturally, the other phyles retaliate with antibody mites, which hunt out and disable the invading mites, turning them into inert black dust, or toner. And so it goes.

The phyles' populaces themselves rarely see this conflict in their own airspace. Rather, it plays itself out in the Leased Territories and no-man's-lands between phyle enclaves. The thetes (classless members of no phyle, who live in these no-man's-lands), on the other hand, intermittently find their air full of clashing mites, flashing lidar, and the resulting microscopic debris. ```

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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post #51
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What defence could, say, a traditional military base, mount against a swarm of, say, 1000 of these?

I am neither American nor a gun nerd, but from what I "overheard" on the internet a single Phalanx system should be able to take out drone swarms at incredible rates?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27440924

>>The Block 1A and newer (pneumatic driven) CIWS mounts fire at a rate of 4,500 rounds per minute with a 1,550-round magazine.

>>Shells fired by the Phalanx cost around $30 each and the gun typically fires 100 or more when engaging a target.[14]

>So it's about three grand to zap one drone, and you get 15 shootdowns before a human needs to shovel more ammo into the turret. That would make it vulnerable to a saturation attack.

You could imagine firing fewer rounds per salvo, but that only slightly mitigates it. Against drone swarms you kinda want directed energy weapons, either microwave or laser. Which don't exist, currently.

Also note that Phalanx is radar based, leaving it open to the usual suite of radar jamming/ECW/antiradiation attacks.

You can tip the odds back in your favor by emplacing more Phalanx systems, but at ten million bucks each, that limits you to stuff like defending small-size/high-value targets like the White House, rather than numerous and sprawling US military bases.

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In China, both are equally probable.

Okay I don't care if my account gets banned but why in the FUCK does everything about China has to do with the government? Everyone here and on Reddit are bitching about Chinese propaganda bots but the only thing I see is people with new accounts attacking China and an immediate accusation of shilling to anyone who doesn't criticize China or even draws a parallel between whatever is being criticized and the U.S.. Ser…

>why in the FUCK does everything about China has to do with the government?

Because it's... a single-party Communist state? Stories about North Korea also tend to talk about its government a lot.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In China, both are equally probable.

Okay I don't care if my account gets banned but why in the FUCK does everything about China has to do with the government? Everyone here and on Reddit are bitching about Chinese propaganda bots but the only thing I see is people with new accounts attacking China and an immediate accusation of shilling to anyone who doesn't criticize China or even draws a parallel between whatever is being criticized and the U.S.. Ser…

I genuinely don't understand how the parent comment triggered this response for ... just saying they think both battery failure being "covered up" or sabotage are likely?

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am neither American nor a gun nerd, but from what I "overheard" on the internet a single Phalanx system should be able to take out drone swarms at incredible rates?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27440924 >>The Block 1A and newer (pneumatic driven) CIWS mounts fire at a rate of 4,500 rounds per minute with a 1,550-round magazine. >>Shells fired by the Phalanx cost around $30 each and the gun typically fires 100 or more when engaging a target.[14] >So it's about three grand to zap one drone, and you get 15 shootdowns before a human needs to shovel more ammo into the turret.…

Actually proximity fuzed rounds should work the best, each taking outv many swarm memvers. Its not like these things could be armored rather than as light as possible.
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