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Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by LurkingPenguin »

curiousgal wrote: post #17
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In China, both are equally probable.

Okay I don't care if my account gets banned but why in the FUCK does everything about China has to do with the government? Everyone here and on Reddit are bitching about Chinese propaganda bots but the only thing I see is people with new accounts attacking China and an immediate accusation of shilling to anyone who doesn't criticize China or even draws a parallel between whatever is being criticized and the U.S.. Ser…

For context, I'm an expat who has traveled extensively in Asia and currently lives in Taiwan. I have spent time in China, and had personal and business dealings with Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Japanese, Indonesians, Filipinos, Koreans, etc. while living in the region. So I think I probably have a more informed perspective about the region than people who haven't spent any time here.

My comment is straightforward: in China, it would not be surprising if an "incident" was the result of negligence (Google search "chabuduo") or sabotage, or if sabotage was used as an excuse to "save face" (Google it).

Since nothing in my comment called China "the most evil bogeyman in the world", your hyperbolic response is curious to me. In China, at a certain level of business, the state in some form is omnipresent. Feel free to not explore the implications of that and make value judgements, but this is a simple fact that you'd know if you spent any time here.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by curiousgal »

kwonkicker wrote: post #29
curiousgal wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay I don't care if my account gets banned but why in the FUCK does everything about China has to do with the government? Everyone here and on Reddit are bitching about Chinese propaganda bots but the only thing I see is people with new accounts attacking China and an immediate accusation of shilling to anyone who doesn't criticize China or even draws a parallel between whatever is being criticized and the U.S.. Ser…

I believe nobody said "evil boogyman". But saying "government controlled" isn't much of a stretch for any Chinese company. I expect they do have some level of "de facto" control on over any company operating in the Mainland

Every government has some level of "de facto" control over companies through legislation and whatnot. Sure that control may be more direct in China (and that's a big maybe in my opinion because I doubt a huge country with complex interactions can be handwavely summarized as that) but I just don't see the need to bring that up whenever anything happens in China.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by stickfigure »

curiousgal wrote: post #17
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In China, both are equally probable.

Okay I don't care if my account gets banned but why in the FUCK does everything about China has to do with the government? Everyone here and on Reddit are bitching about Chinese propaganda bots but the only thing I see is people with new accounts attacking China and an immediate accusation of shilling to anyone who doesn't criticize China or even draws a parallel between whatever is being criticized and the U.S.. Ser…

Anywhere that expressing "fuck " in public can result in police interrogation deserves all the scrutiny it gets.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by yojo »

seoulmetro wrote: post #30
kwonkicker wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe nobody said "evil boogyman". But saying "government controlled" isn't much of a stretch for any Chinese company. I expect they do have some level of "de facto" control on over any company operating in the Mainland

I think that's not a reasonable expectation. Unless you believe that setting regulatory clauses in doing business as "de facto" control. But then so does any business. Much like every other nation on Earth, the government will seek to take a hand in the largest businesses operating in their jurisdiction. "Expecting" the Chinese government to control every business in China is very dystopian and baseless. They couldn'…

My understanding is there has been a large push to have communist party members have a formal and active role in businesses. The economist had a nice article on this: https://archive.is/HGX2L

This is at the very least much more explicit than the control political parties in the US exert over businesses.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by robbedpeter »

curiousgal wrote: post #17
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In China, both are equally probable.

Okay I don't care if my account gets banned but why in the FUCK does everything about China has to do with the government? Everyone here and on Reddit are bitching about Chinese propaganda bots but the only thing I see is people with new accounts attacking China and an immediate accusation of shilling to anyone who doesn't criticize China or even draws a parallel between whatever is being criticized and the U.S.. Ser…

It's because they are actively, right now, as we type fluff about cute drones, engaged in the rounding up, brainwashing, rape, torture, and murder of millions of ethnic uyghurs and other "undesirables" like homosexuals, political dissidents, and have implemented armed imprisonment and starvation of people suspected of having covid. Because their oblivious middle class is blithely and ignorantly enabling an evil the likes of which the world hasn't seen since Nazi fucking Germany.

It's not about US interests or anything external. It's entirely and only about the atrocities being performed. It's about the forceful harvesting of human hair from prisoners for sale to blissfully ignorant western nations. It's about the organ harvesting of the poor and disenfranchised for the medical privilege of the elite. It's about the chattel slavery of tens of millions of Chinese citizens who are put to use at gunpoint by the power of the communist party. Kept in this world living conditions, brainwashed by the party to know their given role in life is to do nothing but farm, or labor in the fields or factories. Thedrug cartels, the human trafficking, the weapons and money provided to bad actors around the world, the unmitigated environmental destruction and pollution all over the globe.

It's about the soul corrupting oppression of hundreds of millions of human fucking beings who deserve more than willful disregard by us in the west, who'd rather not be inconvenienced by having to think about what the plight of those people means to our own place in the world. About the supply chains and economic advantages in life we enjoy because of the exploitation of those people. About what I it means to ignore the evil in favor of the easy.

So yeah, bub, sorry to burst your bubble. Some of us just aren't comfortable with the "just like us" modern happy narrative crafted by the CCP.

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by 05 »

schiffern wrote: post #26
NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #9

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Not nearly enough energy in the rotor system of that kind of drone to manage an autorotation landing; and they lack a freewheeling system in any case.

Not sure about these drones, but on my toy drone I can absolutely cut the power and let the wind autorotate the rotors while it falls toward the ground. No need for a freewheel, since the unpowered electric motors spin freely (which isn't necessarily true for a helicopter's engine). There's no collective so you can't "flare" for landing like a helicopter, but during autorotation the terminal velocity is still much lo…

> but during autorotation the terminal velocity is still much lower than if the blades were fixed

it's not that straightforward, whether or not braking or freewheeling causes more drag depends on the prop.

[1] https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3753127-Freew...

[2] https://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/misc/prop.pdf

Re: Drones Raining from the Sky in Zhengzhou

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Post by [deleted] »

breckenedge wrote: post #8
bjtitus wrote: post #5

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It seems like most are doing that but some are dropping rapidly, although not in a freefall.

Autorotation? Sorry I don’t know enough about drone aerodynamics, but it’s something seen in helicopters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation

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