Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
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Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
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Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#2I think everyone (who is reasonable) agrees the vaccine is the most effective tool we have against covid based on current scientific studies
However this article about Ivermectin is not well reasoned:
> As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.
>Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.
These quotes from the article don’t support … anything. People had Covid, they took a treatment, but some died? Really? Could they at least pretend to use some statistics or even an antidotal control group?
Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#3I think everyone (who is reasonable) agrees the vaccine is the most effective tool we have against covid based on current scientific studies However this article about Ivermectin is not well reasoned: > As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure. >Other patients were unknowi…
No, because that goes against the narrative of demonizing ivermectin as some sort of dangerous drug.
There's a reason all these outlets have been pushing the idea that it's a "horse dewormer."
Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#4I think everyone (who is reasonable) agrees the vaccine is the most effective tool we have against covid based on current scientific studies However this article about Ivermectin is not well reasoned: > As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure. >Other patients were unknowi…
Clinics distributed a box of pills with no proven efficacy for the SARS CoV-2 virus, but with significant downsides, and with no tracking. This was not a controlled experiment, this was negligent homicide, recklessly endangering a population by abusing their misplaced faith in careless medical and pseudo-medical "professionals".
Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#5I think everyone (who is reasonable) agrees the vaccine is the most effective tool we have against covid based on current scientific studies However this article about Ivermectin is not well reasoned: > As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure. >Other patients were unknowi…
Clinics distributed a box of pills with no proven efficacy for the SARS CoV-2 virus, but with significant downsides, and with no tracking. This was not a controlled experiment, this was negligent homicide, recklessly endangering a population by abusing their misplaced faith in careless medical and pseudo-medical "professionals".
“Negligent homicide” is hyperbole. The medication itself is safe, safer than paracetamol / acetaminophen. If you are saying it gave too many people false hope and they died from Covid, isn’t that the problem everywhere else without false hope? Are deaths in Australia “better” than deaths in Brazil because Ozzies didn’t attempt the same treatment?
Does ivermectin not function extremely well as a protease inhibitor? It probably doesn’t work anything for Covid, but it scientifically can prevent some viral binding despite that not being it’s primary function.
So making an educated guess wrong is one thing, having people abuse pills is another, and killing people unintentionally through criminal actions is another still.
Be rationale and reasonable. Because going overboard on accusations isn’t helping anyone nor adding to any scientific discussion.
Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#6> hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure
Ivermectin does not cause liver failure. There is no evidence of this.
The Tweet about the one patient does not say the patient is getting a liver transplant, and they are not sure why there was liver issues.
It can cause liver injury in a really small amount of cases, which should self correct. (I assume people do not think temporary liver injury liver failure)
It's a very safe drug. That's why is so important. But media lies and vilification of a 3rd world drug I guess are more important.
> Among the “kit” drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin.
These kits had many drugs in them, fuck society is lame. Ivermectin is on Twitter so that's all we headline. It would be interesting to actually know more about these kits. But curiosity is not a HN thing.
Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#7What a shit article, lol.
Since it's all anecdotal, why didn't they contrast the experience from Brazil with ivermectin in Goa (India)?
Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Clinics distributed a box of pills with no proven efficacy for the SARS CoV-2 virus, but with significant downsides, and with no tracking. This was not a controlled experiment, this was negligent homicide, recklessly endangering a population by abusing their misplaced faith in careless medical and pseudo-medical "professionals".
“Negligent homicide” is hyperbole. The medication itself is safe, safer than paracetamol / acetaminophen. If you are saying it gave too many people false hope and they died from Covid, isn’t that the problem everywhere else without false hope? Are deaths in Australia “better” than deaths in Brazil because Ozzies didn’t attempt the same treatment? Does ivermectin not function extremely well as a protease inhibitor? It…
To be clear- many of the cases of serious injury or death were people taking wildly high doses of ivermectin, beyond any reasonable dosage. Ivermectin does have some safe use cases for human prescription: there is no acceptable evidence that it is effective in the least for treating or preventing Covid.
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v4
Much of the buzz was generated by the above preprint study, now retracted for some serious concerns that large portions were plagiarized and cherry-picked, and in some instances fabricated completely.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/9365...
One of the problems with ivermectin is that it is widely available and cheap. This is great if you are trying to treat river blindness or prevent your horse from contracting worms, but terrible when a deeply flawed (yet widely cited) purports it to be a miracle cure.
Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Clinics distributed a box of pills with no proven efficacy for the SARS CoV-2 virus, but with significant downsides, and with no tracking. This was not a controlled experiment, this was negligent homicide, recklessly endangering a population by abusing their misplaced faith in careless medical and pseudo-medical "professionals".
“Negligent homicide” is hyperbole. The medication itself is safe, safer than paracetamol / acetaminophen. If you are saying it gave too many people false hope and they died from Covid, isn’t that the problem everywhere else without false hope? Are deaths in Australia “better” than deaths in Brazil because Ozzies didn’t attempt the same treatment? Does ivermectin not function extremely well as a protease inhibitor? It…
> The medication itself is safe
Upon what dosage do you base that on? And particularly is it safe for covid patients, or does it increase mortality?
Many doctors are in the US pushing Ivermectin and HCQ as "safe and effective" even though the #1 call to many poison control centers in the US concern Ivermectin poisoning.
> Because going overboard on accusations isn’t helping anyone nor adding to any scientific discussion.
Giving false hope (or false cures) is by far worse -- and that appears to be the case as to what happened in Brazil. Politicians were pushing Ivermectin as a way to reopen the economy. It's snake oil at it's worst form, and reduces trust between patients and doctors.
Re: Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
#10I think everyone (who is reasonable) agrees the vaccine is the most effective tool we have against covid based on current scientific studies However this article about Ivermectin is not well reasoned: > As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure. >Other patients were unknowi…
Clinics distributed a box of pills with no proven efficacy for the SARS CoV-2 virus, but with significant downsides, and with no tracking. This was not a controlled experiment, this was negligent homicide, recklessly endangering a population by abusing their misplaced faith in careless medical and pseudo-medical "professionals".
By your logic we should stop selling paracetamol.