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Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

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Was talking about this with a friend today, and I think this incident highlights why I sometimes get really depressed about my career and technology. I'm a Gen X-er, and I started my career in the late 90s. Before that I was a ham radio operator in junior high and HS (back when they had Morse code tests!). I remember the heady euphoria around the Internet then, and the vision of "tech utopia" was certainly the domina…

Am also from that generation, but got into an IT career from the early 80s.

I understand where you're coming from. I'm increasingly the least-tech focused of my family/social circle, despite being the most heavily involved in the tech industry. In fact, I think my lack of bullishness in tech is due to the fact that I've been in the tech industry for 40 years. I know where the downsides lie.

However, don't let the current reality get you down. One thing that being in this industry has taught me is that nothing is completely fixed and permanent. To wit, the global monopolist who benefited the most from the network-effect lock-in used to be IBM. Then it was Microsoft. Now it's Facebook. In time, this too will change.

What wont change is the need for level-headed 'grey-beards' and those others who have lived sufficiently long in the tech space to have accumulated some level of wisdom, which they can then share with those that follow.

Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "accessible"? I can call anywhere in the USA for free, and its $0.01/minute to call an overseas relative, yet I almost never call.

You ever tried calling anyone in Guam? It's part of the USA (albeit as a territory). Or the US Virgin Islands? US Samoa?

I don't know many people overseas (other than my relatives), but Guam and the US VI are free from my cell, Samoa is 7 cents/minute. (unless I use my home VOIP provider, then it's 2c/minute if I buy a block of 500 minutes).

Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

#83

Was talking about this with a friend today, and I think this incident highlights why I sometimes get really depressed about my career and technology. I'm a Gen X-er, and I started my career in the late 90s. Before that I was a ham radio operator in junior high and HS (back when they had Morse code tests!). I remember the heady euphoria around the Internet then, and the vision of "tech utopia" was certainly the domina…

I think you had wrong expectation. I was 11 in 2000, when I got access to the internet behind my parents' back.

I was surrounded with shady people, learned the darkest of the dark of humanity very young and never had any utopia: people are monsters, women are always men, help is never truly free etc. Im not sure how it was before the internet, but clearly I never had a view of it as an utopia: it s a jungle.

Facebook and opinion sharing network in general are not very important: if people could be Nazi in 1940, Im not sure why you think it's different or even facebooks fault: they simply reflect what we are.

And nobody want decentralization of power really. People want power centralized closer to them.

For one, I think the internet became better and cleaner with time. Or it s me who get trapped a lot less.

Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

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This is an accident, and in peacetime. Relying on WhatsApp for anything important (like your business) is madness, and I hope this serves as your wake-up call that giving the US government and a giant US ad network veto power over your basic personal and professional communications is not a good choice.

Absolutely, plus I have seen a bunch of people going mental about not being able to reach friends or family because WhatsApp is down, when WhatsApp uses the person's phone number as a means of addressing messages, just dial them and talk to them or send them a text... People can be a little dim sometimes and forget that the primary function of a phone IS communications, and not just a platform for running apps.

Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

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I ditched WhatsApp when I switched from Android to iOS and WhatsApp would not import my history. I lost years of texting and image history, and just decided there was no reason to use WhatsApp if they can’t keep my history (possibly the most important part of texting including the images!)

I went the reverse way: why keep so much history of every little thing I said or heard, let it be transient it's much more fun.

Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

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post #67

This is an accident, and in peacetime. Relying on WhatsApp for anything important (like your business) is madness, and I hope this serves as your wake-up call that giving the US government and a giant US ad network veto power over your basic personal and professional communications is not a good choice.

Entire Latin America relies on whatsapp. From government services and doctor appointments to pretty much any business there is. It is such a vital part of the infrastructure that I don't know what would happen if it went down. I mean I even got vaccinated via whatsapp here in Argentina.

Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

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Was talking about this with a friend today, and I think this incident highlights why I sometimes get really depressed about my career and technology. I'm a Gen X-er, and I started my career in the late 90s. Before that I was a ham radio operator in junior high and HS (back when they had Morse code tests!). I remember the heady euphoria around the Internet then, and the vision of "tech utopia" was certainly the domina…

I feel the same way about the 90s.

If it makes you feel any better, it's not exactly just about the internet or what we modern folk consider contemporary technology. The question of societal transformation to a place where technical knowledge (in a broad sense) has become a requirement for basic living and the side effects or unintended consequences that it entails have been on the minds of philosophers since the industrial revolution. People have notice that the reliance on "machine" is going to change their world similarly to how the internet changed our 80s and 90s world.

Two very interesting things I'd recommend reading for a different way of framing this issue (but from the same perspective) that's been helpful for me. Both by Jacques Ellul. First is "Technological Society" 1954, and second is "Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes" 1962. The second one might not seem related, but it is.

Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

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"You have built, bought, or maintained a product which is vital to billions. It's a free service unavailable 0.01% of the year. For this you must be punished."

1. Facebook gives service for the profit with little regard for its users.

2. Facebook purchased WhatsApp to remove competition and options from its users.

And more https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/04/facebook-...

Re: Facebook going down meant more than just a social network being unavailable

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Was talking about this with a friend today, and I think this incident highlights why I sometimes get really depressed about my career and technology. I'm a Gen X-er, and I started my career in the late 90s. Before that I was a ham radio operator in junior high and HS (back when they had Morse code tests!). I remember the heady euphoria around the Internet then, and the vision of "tech utopia" was certainly the domina…

Let the sheep have their facebook apps. Modern tech has also brought us strong open source tools. We have stronger encryption in any linux distro than any army had in the 90s. We have communication pathways (Tor) that defeat censorship. I can send an email today, encrypted then sent via Tor, that no government can censor, read or even detect that I have sent. I have a dongle that plugs into my phone that can decode a…

Tempting. Sadly, if we let the sheep have their FB, the likely result will be that we lose whatever semblance of democracy we have left. Already we're down to one party that belives in free and fair elections. Our system depends on informed citizens, not massive authoritarian psyop experiments. The longer we go where the majority can't get overwhelmingly popular policies accomplished, the closer we get to turning to any strongman who promises bold action, no matter how nightmarish that would be for most people.
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