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Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Re: Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Post by prawn »

Ansil849 wrote: post #170
prawn wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How'd you feel about Krebs' post about the outage? https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/10/what-happened-to-faceboo...

Krebs did not promote a DNS service he works for a total of nine times in his blogpost, so I did not feel like I was reading an infomercial for how great Cloudflare's continued MITMing of the internet is.

No issue with his openly admitted speculating though? That seemed to be in-part your issue with Cloudflare in many comments, even though they were talking about something specific to its impact on their service.

Re: Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Post by gcorrao »

Ansil849 wrote: post #72

Is anyone else kinda put off by how Cloudflare keeps interjecting themselves into this situation? First with the Twitter posts and now this blogpost. They're a passive observer, not involved in this event, and yet they keep putting themselves in the middle of it. Cloudflare staff are not Facebook staff, they do not know how things actually went down to trigger the events that transpired. They are essentially doing gl…

I thought of this at first, but after reading FB official "tech" explanation on the outage (https://engineering.fb.com/2021/10/04/networking-traffic/out...) I very much prefer Cloudflare's take on this.

Re: Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Post by jbigelow76 »

HenryKissinger wrote: post #167
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm sorry Senator. We lost that data in the Oct 4 incident."

"The Senate will decide your fate, Mr. Zuckerberg."

Geez I certainly hope not, you think that corrupt bunch of bastards would ever hold a billionaire accountable for anything?

Re: Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Post by literallyWTF »

literallyaduck wrote: post #52
literallyWTF wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would rather purge it from this planet and throw Zuck into jail.

Is it harmful? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/sep/29/facebook-... Did Facebook lie to congress? https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/03/02/facebook-... Also short comments without discussion and evidence do poorly. I believe it should be halted for public safety which is well within the rights and capacity of our government. I believe a fair trial should happen before anyone receives punishment,…

Once again, denizens of hacker news, blow me

Re: Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Post by delecti »

interestica wrote: post #28
ruoso wrote: post #20

> ... but as of 22:28 UTC Facebook appears to be ... Someone assumed London==UTC, when London is 1 hour ahead :) that was actually 21:28 UTC

No matter what time of year it is, people tend to use 'EST' for 'Eastern Time' even when we might be in Eastern Daylight Time rather than Standard. It's especially annoying when dealing with multiple countries that may or may not be using Daylight Saving Time.

I make a point to give local times in just "PT". Not least among my reasons is that I can't ever remember which half of the year is Daylight time and which is Standard.

Re: Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Post by nancyp »

gcorrao wrote: post #172
Ansil849 wrote: post #72

Is anyone else kinda put off by how Cloudflare keeps interjecting themselves into this situation? First with the Twitter posts and now this blogpost. They're a passive observer, not involved in this event, and yet they keep putting themselves in the middle of it. Cloudflare staff are not Facebook staff, they do not know how things actually went down to trigger the events that transpired. They are essentially doing gl…

I thought of this at first, but after reading FB official "tech" explanation on the outage ( https://engineering.fb.com/2021/10/04/networking-traffic/out... ) I very much prefer Cloudflare's take on this.

I'dnt expect fb employees to write up about BGP while they are in middle of a fire drill.

Re: Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Post by threeseed »

selcuka wrote: post #143
threeseed wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare is also incredibly dodgy with their billing practices which you wouldn't pick up from their marketing. If you downgrade from a Paid to a Free account they automatically and silently add a paid add-on for 10 Page Rules.

They state that [1] this only happens if you are using more than 3 Page Rules that the free plan allows, which is fair. The alternative would be to randomly delete some of your page rules, which is worse: > If you do not want to be charged for the additional page rules, you should ensure you only have 3 active rules before you downgrade from Pro to Free. [1] https://community.cloudflare.com/t/i-canceled-my-subscripti…

The alternative is to ask the user what they want to do instead of defaulting to billing you. Or provide the option of refunds.

And pretty sure that explanation is incorrect or has changed. I have never used Page Rules and was still billed.

Re: Understanding how Facebook disappeared from the internet

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Post by nkssy »

Is there a petition to make this permanent? Asking for a friend

The article itself was a good exploration of the impact of BGP and what happens when network advertisements stop and the associated network disappears in a puff of global forgetfulness.

Might be time to poke around BGP as well. A lab setup might be a good toy.

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