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Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by blendergeek »

throwaway78981 wrote: post #34
blendergeek wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Adblock Plus is owned by Eyeo GmbH which supposedly earns millions through it's 'acceptable ads' program. That is not wild speculation but rather the official narrative from Adblock Plus. Their main revenue stream is the acceptable ads program [1]. In order to see if they make "millions", I am also linking their financial statements from the Company Register in Germany [2]. Please note that this document is in Germ…

So, are they making millions?

I believe so. But I dont read German very well and I don't trust Google Translate so I am not ruling on that claim.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by timbit42 »

intelMgmntEnema wrote: post #48

Assuming Android is the most common usage platform for FF, one can't even use their choice of DNS. The DoH feature uses cloudflare and overrides system configs and without about:config, there's no way to change it. This isn't good compared to anything. It just sucks. FF's concept of user benefit is restriction. How many users are now enjoying a better world because they can no longer save a webpage to PDF? Fellow fro…

According to Mozilla, they have 200 million monthly active users. According to Google Play Store, there are 100 million installs. How many Android installs are used? Half? I'd suggest there are 2 or 3 times more desktop users of Firefox than Android.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by JohnBooty »

KarlKemp wrote: post #54
pixelgeek wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here to specifically comment on this. How is this even a feature? Is taking a screenshot still that difficult on Windows?

A screenshot of the full page at least used to be rather difficult to achieve. I know I've seen the feature recently in either Safari or Chrome, but I'm not sure if or when it became standard.

Yeah, it would be impossible without browser (or perhaps just extension) support unless I'm really mistaken.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by celsoazevedo »

smoldesu wrote: post #62
celsoazevedo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.

I have a similar setup, except I use Ungoogled Chromium as my Chrome browser. You could achieve similar results by stripping Brave of it's featureset, but it's easier for me since I can automate the process of installing Chromium on my desktop. I'm glad you seem to get it though. My comment wasn't intended as a jab at Brave's featureset, but rather to point out that they ship as completely different utilities. As som…

Ungoogled Chromium is nice, but lacks self updates and I can't seem to be able to install extensions directly from the store.

For browser updates, I could go the binaries way, but then I'd have to use a 3rd party package manager and have to live with outdated versions (the project is on Chromium 94, but the version for macOS is still on 92). I could also build it myself, but I don't want to deal with that (I guess part of the problem is me being lazy).

The perfect Chromium browser for me would be Brave as it works right now, but without their own features. Sadly that doesn't seem to exist.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by emerged »

JohnBooty wrote: post #6

"Turns out, Mozilla Firefox is better" -- Mozilla

And the Mozilla Firefox Best Browser award goes to… for the 15th consecutive year… Mozilla Firefox! Congratulations to the entire Mozilla Firefox team on behalf of the Mozilla Firefox awards committee!

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by logicalmonster »

rlopezcc wrote: post #36

Brave always looked shady to me. Even inoring that I don't like Brendan for personal reasons. There is something nauseating about using "privacy" and other nice-sounding words to pump your own crypto-currency. I may be misunderstanding things here, I'm open to positive arguments about this.

> There is something nauseating about using "privacy" and other nice-sounding words to pump your own crypto-currency.

To be fair, this statement seems to be relying on mind-reading. You seem to be making a guess that Brendan's motives are to pump his token, rather than privacy.

I view Brave as a very interesting experiment that could be very much in defense of privacy.

Here's the chain of logic, as I see it.

We all realize that data is a commodity that businesses are desperate for.

This is bad because it ultimately leads to privacy being wrecked, among other issues. We can see Google and Facebook operating here as an indication of this.

One possible solution to this is to come up with a new business model for advertising that does a far better job protecting people and giving people ultimate control: which is what Brave is attempting to do. Who knows what direction Brave will take? BAT is just an ERC-20 token that can be moved by any Ethereum wallet even apart from Brave. If this succeeds, the advertising market online in the next few years may move in a positive direction.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by r00fus »

toastal wrote: post #15
user764743 wrote: post #11

They are not mentioning the most important reason for me. I think Firefox is better by default simply because I don't want to help contribute to Google's chromium/blink hegemony over the web.

Not disagreeing, but the question is better for ‘you’, not better for society or the internet. Lotta people (sadly) don’t know or care about rendering and JavaScript engines. That said, the weirdest thing about Brave is that the BAT stuff could likely have been implemented as a browser extension. The changes to Chromium the Brave team must now maintain choosing to fork a browser are because Google makes changes in th…

Sure, if you regress once, it affects you. If you continue the regression analysis you'll quickly see that the ecosystem suffers if you don't participate and advocate for your preferred choice.

It's like buying on Amazon/Walmart while you see local stores shutting down when prices are more are less equivalent. Buy local if you want those stores sticking around.

Same dynamic in the browser market.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by tlavoie »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #59
smoldesu wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave isn't a competitor with Firefox. Firefox is a browser, Brave is a crypto wallet/ethical ad aggregator/adblock/DNS/video-calling system/compensation network/social/IPFS viewer. You're welcome to choose for yourself, but I typically grab Firefox when I just want to browse the web.

I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.

How would you compare Brave to Vivaldi, which also uses Chromium under the hood? That's my default not-Chrome, haven't used Brave.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Post by celsoazevedo »

tlavoie wrote: post #79
celsoazevedo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.

How would you compare Brave to Vivaldi, which also uses Chromium under the hood? That's my default not-Chrome, haven't used Brave.

Vivaldi is an interesting browser... it's developed by some of the people that used to work on the original Opera browser. Opera was sold and now also uses Chromium, but it's closer to Chromium (and Brave) in terms of UI and features, than to Vivaldi and the old Opera.

I've tried it, but it tries to do a lot (email client, notes, very customisable, etc) and sometimes I would get overwhelmed with all the options. It also seems to use more resources and was not as fluid as other Chromium-based browsers (at least on my machine). I've heard that they rely a lot on javascript so it's easier to maintain the UI and features across all platforms, but the performance suffers a bit.

Brave is closer to Chromium and Chrome (UI, features, etc). If you try it, keep Brave Rewards off, ignore the crypto side of things, it can be a nice Chrome replacement if you don't need all the Google stuff (sync, etc).

In any case, if you're happy with Vivaldi, then keep using it. I don't think it's a bad browser, but sadly it doesn't fit my needs.

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