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#191

During the time Facebook (and related properties) have been unavailable, I can't help but feel a little better about the world. There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging on FB platforms. It's nice to know all of that crap is just....gone. At least for a little while.

I don't know about everyone else, but I get most of my hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging from HN and Reddit.

RE: downvotes

I understand my comment is low effort, but so is the parent comment. I would be more than happy to see both removed.

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#192

During the time Facebook (and related properties) have been unavailable, I can't help but feel a little better about the world. There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging on FB platforms. It's nice to know all of that crap is just....gone. At least for a little while.

Your experience must be very different from mine. My Facebook feed is full of interesting pictures from my friends. It's only when I visit HN that I find lots of hatred and bile... for Facebook.

HN is one of the most sceptical places on the internet, which I find interesting as it's just a news aggregator for people in software.

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#193

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Proof by anecdote

Did you get confused and think "There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angy, and harmful messaging on FB platforms." was data?

If it agrees with my priors it's objective fact. If else, it's an anecdote

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#194

Wow, I never realized Facebook was causing so much psychological discomfort in so many people. Either we are using different Facebooks or you guys need therapy and do not track plugin.

My discomfort is solely in other people using it, and the effect it has on them.

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#195
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I think the question is, how do you keep the good and get rid of the bad? I think there's a lot of great things that social media has done to connect people, but all too often it's only a shallow or artificial connection. I think the other problem is that social media will make you find people "like" you. Humans have always sought that out, but there was always some variance that allowed us to remember that others un…

Don’t read political posts from sources you do not know/trust?

I don't use Facebook so I'm only going by what I've seen from screenshots or over someone's shoulder. Isn't one part of the misery political posts from people you do know? e.g., extended family or old friends going off the deep end?

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#196

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I think people could really work on self-curating/self-filtering content to make sure it's mostly what they want to see on social media. I've made nearly a dozen friends in Japan who I've now met there on two separate trips purely through a shared interest by connecting on Instagram. I rarely see content that I don't expect or care to see.

The problem for me, and many others, is we are friends with people on the complete opposite political spectrum. I don't have the granularity to block their political posts while still being able to see their regular posts.

This sounds more like an issue when it comes to interacting with those people in general, regardless of the medium. I bet those friends would still bring up their political views in irrelevant conversations irl, on twitter, or literally everywhere else they socialize.

This isn't a fault on the part of FB. You indicated you are friends with those people and want to follow their content. If you want to be friends with them on FB, but not see their content pop up on your timeline, that option is a click away. If you want more granular filtering, so that you can still see non-political posts from those people, you need to indicate to the algorithm that you want less of that by clicking "show me less posts like this", and it will eventually learn.

I see those options as a reasonable approach, as I struggle to come up with a better way to filter the content of people you follow with such granularity. The only option I can see in my mind that would work better is literally having someone work as your personal "filter", so that they can only show you the posts you want from those people. But that, obviously, is not a viable approach.

It's just like in real life. If you have a friend who you want to continue socializing with, but in public settings they say extremely off-putting things half the time that you don't want to hear, your options are to either stop socializing with them completely (aka unfollowing), to ask them to stop doing it, and that's pretty much it. All of those options are available on facebook as well, except facebook offers even more options that are all pretty good.

And I am saying this as someone who opens facebook at most once-twice a week for a little bit of time, just to check up on what my friends post and to read thru a few interesting discussions in the hobby groups I am in. If I occasionally see a wild political shitpost, I just click "show me less content like this". And the algorithm, surprisingly enough, tends to adjust to this pretty well.

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#197

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The public is tired of being gaslighted and lied to by large corporations. The whistle-blower only brought to light what we have known previously, Facebook is a net loss for humanity. Letting people contect with family and long lost friends is good. Purposefully pitting people against each other, human experimentation https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook... , creating hateful echo chambers, cl…

In Germany, each year a committee of linguists select an "un-word of the year". "Gaslit" should be the internet unword of the decade. It has no scientific relevance and shouldn't be used when perfectly fine alternatives like "lied to" or "manipulated" exist. They just don't sound as dramatic I guess.

What's wrong with the idea of treating gaslighting as a certain kind of manipulation?

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The way to destroy Facebook and the likes of it, is not by encrypting all of its data or even parts of it or sending it to /dev/null. The best attack would be in fact to display war footage from Syria, the Collateral Damage video and such gore to random people at random times, instead of ads perhaps. And to the other side who wouldnt mind the violence and gore, show them pornhub clips.

So, terrorize people?

This is a bit extreme, but I'm of the opinion that it's literally impossible to act immorally against Facebook. It would be unfortunate if this were to happen. Ultimately, whatever is good for the goose is good for the gander, and there's no worthier goose than the razing of Facebook et al.

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#199
Welcome back AS32934.

A little bit of Internet history just happened — has so much traffic ever stopped and started in such a short period of time?

Somewhere, one more happily undulating circadian egress graph just had a whopping exponential decay chunk taken out of it. How close to 0 did it get? What void lies below the graph? Elder gods? Blank packetless skree? The Great Quiet? We may never know — it’s noisy again now and will never get quieter.

Long may these events continue. The Internet was never meant to work all the time, it was meant to take a pummelling, say whatever, and carry on regardless.

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But HN doesn't have any facebook trackers

I wonder how sure we can be of that.

Hit F12 on your browser and look at the network traffic. HN only loads a handful of files: the html page, a style sheet, a JavaScript file and a few GIFs for the arrows and faveicon.

The JS is uncompressed and very readable. It only contains logic for site use, no code to call back some other trackers.

A perfect example of site that doesn't need to use client-side analytics to sell ads.

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