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Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by verisimi »

nightpool wrote: post #58
atdrummond wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this downvoted? I understand the second paragraph might be slightly aggressive/inflammatory but the first paragraph alone is a legitimate critique. I would really appreciate if those who disagree would provide counter arguments, as both sides here offer the potential for an interesting (and important) dialogue about CF and their role in global Internet/WWW infrastructure.

"What may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence". If someone is going to make the claim that Cloudflare is running an illegal protection racket and funds DDOS attacks against their customer's websites, then the burden of proof is on them to substantiate that claim. Otherwise, it's just pointless bad-faith remarks. And we can't just take the first paragraph in isolation—it depends on the seco…

We're not in court.

But, as I said elsewhere, I think it is pretty understandable corporate behaviour that has been done previously by anti-virus companies.

Why would you not take an opportunity like this in order to create a drama where you are the corporate hero, and have people knocking down your door for your product?

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by slig »

opheliate wrote: post #44
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #34

This author is clueless. All three of these things were already free. None of these things are industries.

I would love to know where I can get free cloud storage equivalent to S3.

Scaleway has 75GB for free every month [1].

[1]: https://www.scaleway.com/en/pricing/

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by nsonha »

atdrummond wrote: post #38
verisimi wrote: post #22

I see Cloudflare as part of the system of control of the internet. They can prevent sites from being seen or users from accessing the internet. I also suspect that their business model is the mafia protection racket - that they may run some of the bots that commit DDOS attacks - it would be in their business interests.

Why is this downvoted? I understand the second paragraph might be slightly aggressive/inflammatory but the first paragraph alone is a legitimate critique. I would really appreciate if those who disagree would provide counter arguments, as both sides here offer the potential for an interesting (and important) dialogue about CF and their role in global Internet/WWW infrastructure.

Why pick on Cloudflare, what is it about edge computing that makes them particularly well positioned for this kind of abuse and AWS isn't?

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by detaro »

aaomidi wrote: post #69
detaro wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that doesn't address my point, since you can say the exact same about wherever the site is hosted unless you strictly self-host everything, which the vast majority of sites doesn't do.

To me there's a difference. Probably that terminating tls is base of CFs business model. Or that I'm just being illogical. No idea, just...don't like it.

I'd argue the base is caching and load-balancing. And pretty much everything that has a business model of handling web traffic will need to handle HTTPS for its customers nowadays.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by moralestapia »

yawnxyz wrote: post #17
moralestapia wrote: post #3

The big question I have regarding R2 (for those no in the lops: Cloudflare's alternative to S3 with no egress fees (!)) is if the terms hold if you choose to use it to host video. If yes, then wow, this truly is disruptive.

That's a good question, I wonder how that will play along with their Video Streaming service. I guess this wouldn't be hosted streaming, but a downloadable video file, so they'd have different use cases.

>I wonder how that will play along with their Video Streaming service

Yeah, that's my main concern, are they really going to disrupt even themselves?

>wouldn't be hosted streaming, but a downloadable video file

I agree but then if one can just add a and forget about it (plus, it's free) then streaming wouldn't even be considered (for plenty of use cases).

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by CodesInChaos »

moralestapia wrote: post #3

The big question I have regarding R2 (for those no in the lops: Cloudflare's alternative to S3 with no egress fees (!)) is if the terms hold if you choose to use it to host video. If yes, then wow, this truly is disruptive.

There is another possible pricing loophole: They could price the amount of data loaded from R2, regardless if it's for internal use or egress (similar to S3 infrequent access, but cheaper). If they go that route, they'd probably make it per-request for small request, and by-size for big requests.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by gnat »

decrypt wrote: post #49
greatsaas12 wrote: post #2

Seems like these announcements were part of Cloudflare's "Birthday Week"[1] More features that weren't mentioned by OP: - CF released an email routing feature - They released their domain name registrar (you could previously only transfer, but now you can also register domain names) using wholesale prices. I'd also classify this as a "disruption" because CF is not taking any profit with this one (but they have a lot…

One thing that most folks aren't aware is that Cloudflare registrar requires usage of their nameservers. It's understandable, they are selling domains without a markup and need to make money in other ways. For those that want to use a custom nameserver, Porkbun is a great choice.

What is their business model around having your DNS traffic? Selling your "who looked you up and how many times" data? I am struggling to see what secondary income this enables.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by handrous »

tejohnso wrote: post #55
moralestapia wrote: post #3

The big question I have regarding R2 (for those no in the lops: Cloudflare's alternative to S3 with no egress fees (!)) is if the terms hold if you choose to use it to host video. If yes, then wow, this truly is disruptive.

> if the terms hold if you choose to use it to host video Pretty damn disingenuous if the terms don't hold based on type of content. There's no such caveat mentioned.

You're already gonna be encouraged to move to an Enterprise ($5k+) account if you use too many resources, and/or if too much of your traffic is from non-browser clients, and probably for a bunch of other reasons I don't know about it. The terms under which this may happen are essentially arcane knowledge learned through experience. Think about it: if this weren't the case, every other CDN would already be out of business, rather than rapidly expanding and acquiring and growing.

Plus, you don't get an SLA for any of their "self-serve" plans until the $200/month one.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by [deleted] »

verisimi wrote: post #54
atdrummond wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this downvoted? I understand the second paragraph might be slightly aggressive/inflammatory but the first paragraph alone is a legitimate critique. I would really appreciate if those who disagree would provide counter arguments, as both sides here offer the potential for an interesting (and important) dialogue about CF and their role in global Internet/WWW infrastructure.

Thank you. I appreciate you saying that the second paragraph is aggressive, but I think it would be naive to think that it isn't possible, or even probable - if there's money in play. A lot of anti-virus protection companies did do exactly this - create the viruses that made their products sell. Its really not without precedent.

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