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Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by manigandham »

acdha wrote: post #28
polote wrote: post #14

I know that Cloudflare is always very liked on HN and the CTO often comments here. I often refer to friends that Cloudflare only exists thanks to HN. But Cloudflare is not (neither HN) the center of the world you could have better than R2 with B2 before for example. And no they didnt disrupted anything. You dont disrupt anything in one week actually. Has R2 had any impact on S3 business model or customers so far ? Pr…

> And no they didnt disrupted anything. You dont disrupt anything in one week actually. Has R2 had any impact on S3 business model or customers so far ? Probably not. Cloud egress costs are the primary lock-in mechanism for cloud providers and that's been recognized as such for many years. This isn't the kind of thing which changes an industry in less than a week but I doubt you will want to defend this claim a year…

Cloudflare has always had free bandwidth and you can point the origin to whatever you want, including Backblaze which has free interconnect and cheaper pricing.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by detaro »

aaomidi wrote: post #21

It's kinda astonishing to me that were fine with a third party company terminating end to end encryption between the service provider and the user. It just feels...so off to me that we've normalized this. Hopefully there will be new standards in the future. But for now this is slightly terrifying to me.

Cloudflare is a service provider the site owner contracts with too, so why the distinction?

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by acdha »

aaomidi wrote: post #21

It's kinda astonishing to me that were fine with a third party company terminating end to end encryption between the service provider and the user. It just feels...so off to me that we've normalized this. Hopefully there will be new standards in the future. But for now this is slightly terrifying to me.

CDNs have existed since the 90s so everyone's had time to get used to it. The part which I think you're over-weighting is that this is not a third-party stranger but a third-party with whom you have a legal relationship — the use-cases for a CDN require external termination, otherwise you don't rent one, and the contracts commit to keeping it secure.

For a business, there are tons of trust relationships you handle this way: you trust Microsoft not to ship a trojan in Windows, Cisco/Juniper/etc. not to sniff your internal network traffic, Google not to ship your Chrome session keys back home, etc.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by snowwrestler »

greatsaas12 wrote: post #15
polote wrote: post #14

I know that Cloudflare is always very liked on HN and the CTO often comments here. I often refer to friends that Cloudflare only exists thanks to HN. But Cloudflare is not (neither HN) the center of the world you could have better than R2 with B2 before for example. And no they didnt disrupted anything. You dont disrupt anything in one week actually. Has R2 had any impact on S3 business model or customers so far ? Pr…

I think calling it clickbait is too harsh. The right headline would be: "Cloudflare announces 3 changes which have the potential to disrupt 3 industries in the near/long future". So it's somewhere in the middle between "totally describing what's inside" vs. clickbait-y.

The R2 disruption is a reduction in cost. The target of the disruption is Amazon, a company that has decades of experience operating services at break-even or loss to acquire market share.

Quite a lot of the coverage seems founded on the idea that the price difference is an unbridgeable moat for Cloudflare. IMO, let’s see. Amazon could lower prices, and/or Cloudflare might need to start charging someone something as volume grows.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by aaomidi »

adventured wrote: post #40
aaomidi wrote: post #21

It's kinda astonishing to me that were fine with a third party company terminating end to end encryption between the service provider and the user. It just feels...so off to me that we've normalized this. Hopefully there will be new standards in the future. But for now this is slightly terrifying to me.

Cloudflare doesn't require terminating end to end encryption between the service provider and the user.

Sure if you just use it as a dns provider.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by aaomidi »

detaro wrote: post #42
aaomidi wrote: post #21

It's kinda astonishing to me that were fine with a third party company terminating end to end encryption between the service provider and the user. It just feels...so off to me that we've normalized this. Hopefully there will be new standards in the future. But for now this is slightly terrifying to me.

Cloudflare is a service provider the site owner contracts with too, so why the distinction?

Because math doesn't break like contracts do mainly.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by nightpool »

aaomidi wrote: post #21

It's kinda astonishing to me that were fine with a third party company terminating end to end encryption between the service provider and the user. It just feels...so off to me that we've normalized this. Hopefully there will be new standards in the future. But for now this is slightly terrifying to me.

Ultimately, if you're running in a virtualized cloud environment, you already trust your hosting company with your website's certificates (because there's no way to stop them from spying on your machine's core memory). So for most users, it's not a major change to expand the trusted set from {Amazon} to {Cloudflare, Amazon}. If you're the only one with root access to your hardware, then more power to you. But for most people I don't think it's a major change of threat model.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by decrypt »

greatsaas12 wrote: post #2

Seems like these announcements were part of Cloudflare's "Birthday Week"[1] More features that weren't mentioned by OP: - CF released an email routing feature - They released their domain name registrar (you could previously only transfer, but now you can also register domain names) using wholesale prices. I'd also classify this as a "disruption" because CF is not taking any profit with this one (but they have a lot…

One thing that most folks aren't aware is that Cloudflare registrar requires usage of their nameservers. It's understandable, they are selling domains without a markup and need to make money in other ways. For those that want to use a custom nameserver, Porkbun is a great choice.

Re: Cloudflare announced four major new features that could disrupt industries

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Post by acdha »

manigandham wrote: post #41
acdha wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And no they didnt disrupted anything. You dont disrupt anything in one week actually. Has R2 had any impact on S3 business model or customers so far ? Probably not. Cloud egress costs are the primary lock-in mechanism for cloud providers and that's been recognized as such for many years. This isn't the kind of thing which changes an industry in less than a week but I doubt you will want to defend this claim a year…

Cloudflare has always had free bandwidth and you can point the origin to whatever you want, including Backblaze which has free interconnect and cheaper pricing.

> Cloudflare has always had free bandwidth and you can point the origin to whatever you want.

Not completely: if you used a ton of bandwidth (especially non-HTML/JSON) they'd want you to switch to a paid plan.

Using an arbitrary origin server is similarly different, too: that means a lot more traffic coming back to your origin server unless all of your clients are located right next to each other hitting the same edge node. The mechanism they built to do an on-demand copy from S3 to R2 once and serve all subsequent requests from the replicated R2 copy should use substantially less bandwidth and will be faster for all of the requests received from clients which are closer to one of the R2 replicas than your origin server.

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