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Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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"Turns out, Mozilla Firefox is better" -- Mozilla

I see this kind of comparisons all the time, where the test subject associated with the author is strictly better than the rest (especially the tables). I think this discredits the product rather than helping it, as you are either too arrogant to acknowledge any merits from your competitors, or you cherry picked the criteria.

But surely the marketers know better than me, so what's going on?

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Brave isn't a competitor with Firefox. Firefox is a browser, Brave is a crypto wallet/ethical ad aggregator/adblock/DNS/video-calling system/compensation network/social/IPFS viewer. You're welcome to choose for yourself, but I typically grab Firefox when I just want to browse the web.

I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.

I have a similar setup, except I use Ungoogled Chromium as my Chrome browser. You could achieve similar results by stripping Brave of it's featureset, but it's easier for me since I can automate the process of installing Chromium on my desktop.

I'm glad you seem to get it though. My comment wasn't intended as a jab at Brave's featureset, but rather to point out that they ship as completely different utilities. As someone who already has utilities for what it offers, it's hard to fit Brave into my life. On top of that, it's also hard to trust that they won't introduce some radical feature that I won't like, since it's current state is one hell of a precedent for what a browser should look like. At the end of the day I err on the side of simplicity and security.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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They are not mentioning the most important reason for me. I think Firefox is better by default simply because I don't want to help contribute to Google's chromium/blink hegemony over the web.

Brave isn't implementing Google's "Manifest v3". Microsoft Edge replaced all Google services and telemetry with their own. Turns out, Chrome is mostly open source and Google doesn't have absolute power over anyone forking it.

Having a commonly shared implementation is not a problem. Quite the opposite. It solves a lot of problems.

The Linux kernel is in every Linux distro and nobody is calling that a "hegemony". SQLite is used by phones everywhere and that's not a problem.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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I've given up on the built-in bookmarks in all browsers and even the New Tab page. I wrote up a single file HTML page and checked it into my dotfiles repos. Icons are short data urls of SVG with a hover drop down (like Reddit and various subreddits). I like that it's "self hosted" and not some 3rd party site. I have hundreds of bookmarks, all neatly categorized, compared to the New Tab page's paltry 16 or whatever. I…

Are you saying you have your new-tab page set to a `file://` URL that points to an HTML file? If so, that's a pretty excellent idea. :D

Yes but a little more complicated than that. You need an add-on, as the old "homepage" preferences seem to have gone by the wayside or don't work as expected.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Both Firefox and Brave are pretty terrible out of the box. Firefox with it's Pocket integration and promoted stories on a new tab by default has always urked me. Brave has always rubbed me the wrong way with it's BAT crypto.

However, despite these issues, I use Firefox as my daily browser for personal stuff and Brave for work (I need a Chromium-based browser).

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Not to mention, if living your ideals is an important part of your own utility function, then yeah - it can be best for you even if it comes with other compromises.

Ideals are just long term benefits

If you sacrifice yourself to have an orphan out of an Ideal of selflessness or protection of the weak, the idea of benefits doesn't make sense since you'll never reap those benefits, being dead and all.

If you look at the individual level, with a purely rational 'Homo economicus' rational actor, ideals don't make a lot of sense.

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Any suggestions/extension for better bookmarks management?

I've given up on the built-in bookmarks in all browsers and even the New Tab page. I wrote up a single file HTML page and checked it into my dotfiles repos. Icons are short data urls of SVG with a hover drop down (like Reddit and various subreddits). I like that it's "self hosted" and not some 3rd party site. I have hundreds of bookmarks, all neatly categorized, compared to the New Tab page's paltry 16 or whatever. I…

Isn't that awful to maintain?

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Brave always looked shady to me. Even inoring that I don't like Brendan for personal reasons. There is something nauseating about using "privacy" and other nice-sounding words to pump your own crypto-currency. I may be misunderstanding things here, I'm open to positive arguments about this.

It might not be a popular opinion but I just assume that anything having to do with crypto is a scam. Browsers included

You had a bad experience or have a negative view of X, therefore everything associated with X is automatically bad?

Brave is a browser. You can use it as a Chrome replacement without Google stuff. Optionally, you can also enable the crypto stuff if you want to see ads and be paid a few bucks for that.

Brave Rewards for sites/creators... you don't have to claim the money (I do, eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598202 ). Any manual or automatic donations are refunded if you don't claim the money (after 3 months, I think). They don't keep that money.

Some will say that blocking ads and then using Brave Ads is "blackmail". Well, the adblocking part isn't anything new. Firefox, Edge, Opera, and... Brave block ads by default. Users are already blocking ads, so I see this a different way to get revenue from users that block ads, but want to support me.

Now, the crypto currency itself. I don't care about it. I receive BAT, convert it to my local currency and then use it to pay for stuff. It's the same as receiving a payment in a different currency. Of course you can go on and play with crypto on some exchange, just like you can do the same with currencies that you trust, but that's unrelated to the browser and the cryptocurrency itself.

It may change in the future, but right now, I don't see any scam here.

(I use Firefox as my main browser and Brave as backup/when there's a compatibility issue.)

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Brave isn't a competitor with Firefox. Firefox is a browser, Brave is a crypto wallet/ethical ad aggregator/adblock/DNS/video-calling system/compensation network/social/IPFS viewer. You're welcome to choose for yourself, but I typically grab Firefox when I just want to browse the web.

I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.

Same here ("it's Chromium without Google's stuff").

For Brave on Android I wish they deviated from Chrome by adding a no-autoplay option for videos.[1]

[1] https://community.brave.com/t/where-is-the-disable-video-aut...

Re: Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

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Brave always looked shady to me. Even inoring that I don't like Brendan for personal reasons. There is something nauseating about using "privacy" and other nice-sounding words to pump your own crypto-currency. I may be misunderstanding things here, I'm open to positive arguments about this.

It might not be a popular opinion but I just assume that anything having to do with crypto is a scam. Browsers included

Crypto is more than cryptocurrencies, it's cryptography. Try doing online banking or shopping without it.
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