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The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No normal person will deny this. But there is no comparison to a small population being affected (ironically in the USSR, lots of artists and authors got not only blacklisted but sent to the Gulags --gee, I wonder if they wrote to Stalin on behalf of their brethren) to potentially anyone and everyone being a potential subject at any moment for something otherwise innocuous. What’s more this is much worse. It’s not ab…

> But there is no comparison to a small population being affected to potentially anyone and everyone being a potential subject. If I may paraphrase... there's no comparison between oppressing a minority I don't belong to, and the entire population being subjected to the same risk.

It doesn't matter how you put it.

If you say "tax the rich 95%." That's bad. "Tax everyone 95%" That's really bad. I don't understand how you cannot see that. The fewer people affected by something, the less evil it is even if it's evil.

I mean, what are you saying, H-wood blacklisting was bad, therefore what we see in social media ostracizing is acceptable? That seems... strange.

Of course not all sympathizers of communism also agreed with death camps, re-education, stifling of progress, etc., etc., but they tacitly contributed to to those bad things. A young person, or someone who thinks they are being funny or whatever caught in a bad moment is different from someone who knowingly supports tyrannical forms of government.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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post #66
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No normal person will deny this. But there is no comparison to a small population being affected (ironically in the USSR, lots of artists and authors got not only blacklisted but sent to the Gulags --gee, I wonder if they wrote to Stalin on behalf of their brethren) to potentially anyone and everyone being a potential subject at any moment for something otherwise innocuous. What’s more this is much worse. It’s not ab…

> But there is no comparison to a small population being affected to potentially anyone and everyone being a potential subject. If I may paraphrase... there's no comparison between oppressing a minority I don't belong to, and the entire population being subjected to the same risk.

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Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

Just don't express yourself online non-anonymously, and in real life don't go to places where cameras are allowed.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

The problem is not, people making mistakes. The problem is, people making mistakes and saying they weren't mistakes. Or they give non-apologies.

Looking at the scandals of the last decade, apology usually does not help the target at all. It is just part of the expected sick show before being fired or punished anyway.

One day, we will wake up in a world where apology has died out because it was never rewarded by forgiveness.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Let's use Gender as a quick example, why not? A few years ago, I couldn't have said I thought about it at all. For better and for worse, it wasn't part of the discourse. Now, I'm not all that different, yet it comes up again and again. I'm often forced to choose a side, even when it's all hypotheticals and virtues. I feel forced because online media is permanent, each statement is my closing argument. When the litiga…

Social media might be doing you more harm than good? Offline surely isn’t like this for you too is it?

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

> Publicly espousing an unpopular opinion now can be career suicide Let's not pretend this is new: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist The difference now is that visibility is more uniformly distributed across the population.

This is a distraction and diversion from the original comment.

Hollywood is not at the scale of the internet. Some privileged people got cancelled in Hollywood, who cares. When a hard working person gets cancelled by saying something stupid, the consequences are back breaking.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

Just don't express yourself online non-anonymously, and in real life don't go to places where cameras are allowed.

This would translate to do not leave the bathroom in the US, or at least do not go outside your abode.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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The presenter's website on Social Cooling is at https://www.socialcooling.com/ , for anyone who wants a quick overview or prefers text to video.

Man that website is anti-friendly to use.

Ironically, it's as though the experience was designed to be as video-like as possible.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

Where do you draw the line though? Are we never allow to criticize someone for their opinions or "jokes", regardless of content or context? It's easy to just state "People should be able to make jokes or have a bad day." and while maybe that's true, I don't think we should be able to brush off all behavior by just labeling it a "bad day".

Should you care about jokes made by people you have never met in a city far away?

In the real world you would pull your friend aside and criticize him for making these 'jokes'. Now the jokes happen on the internet and instead of criticism from friends, family and neighbors you get attacked by strangers you have never met.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

There’s the other side of the spectrum as well: what the influencers seek to gain by amplifying criticisms for any odd remark. Just think of the whole anti-vaccine movements and the spread of misinformation. Folks come out of the woodwork and claim a myriad of side effects but they have no background to scientifically vet the published vaccine research. Influencers leveraging fear and confusion as a way to amplify bi…

Misinformation doesn’t exist.

Lies are real information.

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