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Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by tzs »

stefan_ wrote: post #5
protomyth wrote: post #4

We don’t plan to support installing or running x86 VMs on Macs with Apple silicon. What about x86 emulation? We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs. It makes total sense… If Apple can emulate x86 with Rosetta 2, surely VMware can do something too, right? Well, the short answer is that there isn’t exactly much business value relative to the engineering effort that is required, at least for the time be…

That seems like a bold move. I would have expected that 90% wanted a Fusion exclusively to be able to run x86 operating systems .

Indeed. Looking at my usage, it is:

99% running Linux, mostly a VM on which I run copies of most of my employer's non-infrastructure software for development and testing.

0.9% running Windows.

0.1% running MacOS. Generally this is only when I've found some bug and want to reproduce it on a clean system to make sure it is not just due to something I misconfigured before reporting it.

Is Debian ARM Linux going to work on an M1 under VMware Fusion? If so, maybe I'd still find VMware Fusion useful on an M1 (we use Debian at work, and I'm fine using Debian for my personal VMs that need Linux).

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by mettamage »

CSDude wrote: post #20

I run Windows Arm64 11 beta with Parallels and it can emulate x86/64 apps well enoug even on 4.5k resolution things are very snappy. And I run pcon planner which is a 3d modeling program which worked fine. Not sure exact speed though.

I run Visual Studio on it with an old version of ASP.NET

It works totally fine

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by testfoobar »

nicoburns wrote: post #19
nottorp wrote: post #17

I wonder if Apple realizes where this is going for developers that don't only do web stuff. No x86 VMs from either virtualization product means I also need a x86 box around. What does that lead to? I'm no longer a Mac Pro customer, just a Mac Mini customer. And I'll be running Linux as the main OS on the x86 box, which I haven't done in ages. Are they trying to push Linux/x86 adoption? :) Edit: at least they were hon…

Developers are quite a small segment of Apple's customer base. They're simply trying to improve the experience of their devices for consumer use cases. As long as you have a mac of some sort and are developing for their platform then that's all they need.

My M1 Macbook Air is getting closer and closer to an iPad with a keyboard. It does not feel like a developer machine at all.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by MisterTea »

ubermonkey wrote: post #38

I still don't understand why people thought the hypervisor vendors would magically be able to provide x86 Win environments on M1 Macs that worked like x86 Win environments on Intel macs. Virtualization isn't emulation. Expecting seamless execution of x86 Win code on an M1 Mac seems unreasonable to me. I was initially concerned about this, but I realized that I've almost completely stopped using local VMs at all in fa…

Modern "programmers" don't know how computer work. Film at 11.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by digitalsushi »

tvanderb wrote: post #53

What exactly needs to be done for something to utilize Apple Silicon?

I have no idea. I have a computer science degree and I could only ever hope to understand it with cute metaphors.

So for my cute metaphor, which I look forward to improvements, I think of the general problem as "we need to run a business" as an analogue of "we need to run an operating system and some programs"; the machine architecture is the amalgamation of tools and techniques.

So if a business springs up as the form of a restaurant, and that business as operating system learns how to create successful patterns using spatulas and fryolators and hot plates, then to move your business to a farm that has tractors and shovels and troughs, you basically have to start all over with your implementation even if your business plan is the same.

But, as those patterns become satisfied, of "get my pile of stuff moved from this container to that container", the issue of plates and troughs becomes solved and you get rapid springs forward of completing your task of migrating.

I have no credentials to answer this basically but that's how I imagine it.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by Clubber »

rudian wrote: post #43
protomyth wrote: post #4

We don’t plan to support installing or running x86 VMs on Macs with Apple silicon. What about x86 emulation? We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs. It makes total sense… If Apple can emulate x86 with Rosetta 2, surely VMware can do something too, right? Well, the short answer is that there isn’t exactly much business value relative to the engineering effort that is required, at least for the time be…

They wrote that. I read “We’re about to close shop because we couldn’t figure this out.” Parallel’s icon literally has a Windows logo in it.

I don't think Parallels emulates x86 windows either, does it?

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by rsync »

protomyth wrote: post #4

We don’t plan to support installing or running x86 VMs on Macs with Apple silicon. What about x86 emulation? We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs. It makes total sense… If Apple can emulate x86 with Rosetta 2, surely VMware can do something too, right? Well, the short answer is that there isn’t exactly much business value relative to the engineering effort that is required, at least for the time be…

"We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs."

Sort of like Ford gets asked regularly about driving their cars on interstate highways ?

This is not a fringe feature or some weird corner-case ... this is the reason people buy your product.

Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by [deleted] »

protomyth wrote: post #4

We don’t plan to support installing or running x86 VMs on Macs with Apple silicon. What about x86 emulation? We get asked regularly about running x86 VMs on M1 Macs. It makes total sense… If Apple can emulate x86 with Rosetta 2, surely VMware can do something too, right? Well, the short answer is that there isn’t exactly much business value relative to the engineering effort that is required, at least for the time be…

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Re: VMware Fusion for Apple Silicon Public Tech Preview Now Available

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Post by johnwalkr »

CSDude wrote: post #20

I run Windows Arm64 11 beta with Parallels and it can emulate x86/64 apps well enoug even on 4.5k resolution things are very snappy. And I run pcon planner which is a 3d modeling program which worked fine. Not sure exact speed though.

I've been running Arm64 windows 10 on parallels on an M1 mac, and I also found most x86/64 windows apps run well. This approach seems much more feasible as the long term path, to let MS and appmakers fix compatibility over time, than expect an entire x86 operating system will be virtualized well enough to the point it is stable also all apps running on it are stable.

I hope vmware fusion works as well because Parallels has become annoying over the years. You can buy a permanent license instead of a subscription, but you have to upgrade every time MacOS has a major update anyway.

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