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Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Post by logicalmonster » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #187

logicalmonster wrote: post #63

The funny thing is that any actually bigoted company has a built in out. "Johnson, as the youngest member, the board has decided that you must identify as a woman for regulatory compliance." What are woke progressives going to do, deny that a man can identify as whatever gender she wants?

Serious question from a non-American: is this actually possible? Can you just identify as a man on Monday, than a woman on Tuesday? In other words, is sex a flag in your documents, or just something you say to be? I am asking because I read that the racial identification is purely declarative.

This is a very nuanced topic that treads on very dangerous grounds on this specific forum, though I am trying my best to remain respectful to all.

I think it's important to remember that there's a difference between legal definitions and what the modern, en vogue morality is. (and keep in mind that the modern morality is not defined, but can change over time as new situations emerge)

In terms of legal documents such as what sex appears on one's drivers license, I imagine that somebody wanting to change their official sex designation can be done, but would require filing some change request or affidavit with the state.

In terms of modern morality, gender identity (gender is considered to be different from biological sex) is considered fluid and may change from day to day. I believe that some people may even choose to identify as non-gender, or multiple genders at once.

Racial identification is another question mark, particularly for Americans and is very convoluted. Look at questions 8 and 9 on the Census form as an example of how officialdom tries to determine race.

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/tech...

In America particularly, laws based on race are really dumb. What the hell do you do with somebody who is a mix of white and black or is a white person with a hispanic background? Do we need government committees to try and determine if somebody is too white to qualify for some job?

As far as the modern morality goes, there are some number of people who self-identify as trans-racial and seem to identify with a different racial group. I don't know what will come of that.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Post by dekhn » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

MaximumYComb wrote: post #200

dekhn wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

larry went to a public high school, as did sergey. neither family was wealthy.

Does the US have public Monterossi schools? Here in Australia they're all private and expensive.

Yes, there are public montessori schools. larry went to a montessori school when he was younger. They are not prohibitively expensive. Sergey's parents were dissidents.

Any argument made that Larry or Sergey had exceptionally monetarily copious upbringings is merely false; they had fairly middle class upbringings by parents who idolized math and science. They both parleyed that through public colleges to positions at Stanford.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Post by john90 » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 11:44 PM UTC

If u a white man and u still vote for the Democrats…. Smh

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Post by BrandoElFollito » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 11:27 AM UTC

logicalmonster wrote: post #201

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question from a non-American: is this actually possible? Can you just identify as a man on Monday, than a woman on Tuesday? In other words, is sex a flag in your documents, or just something you say to be? I am asking because I read that the racial identification is purely declarative.

This is a very nuanced topic that treads on very dangerous grounds on this specific forum, though I am trying my best to remain respectful to all. I think it's important to remember that there's a difference between legal definitions and what the modern, en vogue morality is. (and keep in mind that the modern morality is not defined, but can change over time as new situations emerge) In terms of legal documents such…

> legal documents such as what sex appears on one's drivers license

So there is a formal place where someone's sex is "assigned" (at birth, I presume). In other words you cannot claim for cases with a legal consequence that you are a man when it says "woman" in your papers.

i understand that you can declare yourself as whatever, but it does not change your rights and onbligations.

> Racial identification is another question mark, particularly for Americans and is very convoluted

Is there a similar thing for races? Is this "objectively" assigned (though your ancestry, for instance), or is it purely declarative (I am white, but declare to be black and therefore get access to, say, minority advantages)?

In France we legally have a few things that are non-discutable and part of you papers (sex, nationality, marial status, ...). This an change, of course, but requires going through a procedure that changes what is in the papers. We do not have anything "declarative" that would have a legal meaning (and that would open the door to advantages for instance)

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Post by mountainriver » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 1:24 PM UTC

Falling3 wrote: post #109

throwawaysleep wrote: post #67

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Assuming skill is equally distributed by race. Except that everywhere, including when admission is solely based on performance on a test you can study for, there end up being massive racial disparities. Other races need to be shoehorned in.

And you believe that's due to innate differences and not anything about the environments in which these disparities arise?

The whole point is it’s not innate differences but it’s a bad solution. There are better ways of providing equal opportunity that don’t compromise the integrity of the system

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Post by mountainriver » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 1:26 PM UTC

larkost wrote: post #110

throwawaysleep wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming skill is equally distributed by race. Except that everywhere, including when admission is solely based on performance on a test you can study for, there end up being massive racial disparities. Other races need to be shoehorned in.

But these are board positions. They are not chosen based on measurable skills, but rather almost always on some combination of connections and a specific mindset. This has often been called the "old boys club", and the persistent pattern of boards being overwhelmingly white and male is great evidence that there has a (predominately unconscious) bias in the selections. Since the makeup of these boards affects the deci…

There are ways of preventing unconscious bias in which you don’t degrade the integrity of the position. As I pointed out in my original post the army has solved this well, because in the army of you put someone in a position that isn’t right for it you put lives at stake.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Post by sanity31415 » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 10:32 PM UTC

kenjackson wrote: post #183

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #170

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> Both are at a high position, it only one group would be looked down on for any sort of privilege granted them. It is a function of race. Not an inherent function of being white, but rather the culture that allows white people to always believe “I did this myself”. How is "looking down on for any sort of privilege" a function of race? I thought it was a function of the asymmetrical nature of the privilege.

Yes, the asymmetry’a axis is race.

No, it's class. Race is what the privileged use to distract attention from that.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Post by logicalmonster » Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 3:02 PM UTC

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #204

logicalmonster wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very nuanced topic that treads on very dangerous grounds on this specific forum, though I am trying my best to remain respectful to all. I think it's important to remember that there's a difference between legal definitions and what the modern, en vogue morality is. (and keep in mind that the modern morality is not defined, but can change over time as new situations emerge) In terms of legal documents such…

> legal documents such as what sex appears on one's drivers license So there is a formal place where someone's sex is "assigned" (at birth, I presume). In other words you cannot claim for cases with a legal consequence that you are a man when it says "woman" in your papers. i understand that you can declare yourself as whatever, but it does not change your rights and onbligations. > Racial identification is another q…

Regarding certain kinds of sex claims, there's probably a difference between what is technically illegal and what is actually prosecuted in a place like California. In one situation, a certain claim might be labeled as both brave and beautiful, and in another situation, the same kind of claim might be labeled as bigoted trolling.

Regarding US racial statistics, I don't know if there's any kind of official document that enforces what "race" you are and everything is essentially self-reported, as far as I am aware.