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The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Was social media ever really anything but an echo chamber that sought to recreate the mob mentality of collective lynching for dissenting voices? I mean cancel culture and wokeness have made it clear that seems like the means and methods to create (coerced) consensus amongst an incredibly vocal minority.

I'm less troubled with conformity, many Societies throughout the World have made that a part of the Social Contract where the unity and harmony of the whole is greater than one individuals happiness.

At least the reputation economy in it's current state, is mainly limited to online so you can opt out, where I think you can see how pervasively terrifying this can escalate to just look at China's Social Credit System. The guilt of association in one's social circle ensures that not just conformity is re-enforced, but that actively marginalizing those who dissent are made into 2nd class citizens as it impacts everything from access to capital/loans, employment opportunities, and travel restrictions.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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We've always been followers and joiners. Look back 1000 years, we talked to very few people and our sphere of influence was small. Look at the changes the printing press had, influence could be cheaply disseminated. The newspapers took an out sized role and increased our sphere of influence. Today, with social media, our sphere is the entire world. It isn't curated (well, except to favor things that will cause outrage to sell ads) and it is information overload. This pushes us even further down the follower path. The world is too big and too complicated. It is impossible to be truly informed on a single issue. How could we possibly be objective on everything? Especially, when there are so many people purposefully trying to deceive for "eyeballs". Instead, we tend to pick a "trusted anchor" who we are in complete alignment with on a specific issue and then just trust them on everything else. It is quicker and makes us feel safe to be part of the group. We'll trust that person to loop us in as to what we should care about.

IMO, the only way out of this cycle is a tax on digital advertising revenue. Right now this media is extremely profitable and the only way to stop it is to make that not true.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Was social media ever really anything but an echo chamber that sought to recreate the mob mentality of collective lynching for dissenting voices? I mean cancel culture and wokeness have made it clear that seems like the means and methods to create (coerced) consensus amongst an incredibly vocal minority. I'm less troubled with conformity, many Societies throughout the World have made that a part of the Social Contrac…

Societies with reputation economics (aka face) as the main factor, are incredibly wasteful on human resources, bad at crisis management and generally worser at innovating. Let the initial management of the Covid crisis here be a example.

Its one of the established bonus points, that cultures whos mythology in indoctrination praises martyrs (e.g. Jews, Shiites, Christians) prepares its members to stand out even against resistance and thus overcome the various obstacles when it comes to leaving local minima.

Reputation economics historically was a recipe for stagnant societies which succumbed sooner or later to disaster. Every year unchanged is a lucky coin toss.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Was social media ever really anything but an echo chamber that sought to recreate the mob mentality of collective lynching for dissenting voices? I mean cancel culture and wokeness have made it clear that seems like the means and methods to create (coerced) consensus amongst an incredibly vocal minority. I'm less troubled with conformity, many Societies throughout the World have made that a part of the Social Contrac…

You make it sound like this only happens on the democratic side. Republicans have similar echo chambers.

I think conformity happens within circles. Then it's a question how big the circle is.

I agree with your main concern though, online vs real life credit systems.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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The upvote / downvote system is at fault here too, at least with online discussion forums. Everything that doesn’t match the local culture and norms is immediately downvoted. It’s a self-reinforcing echo chamber. Reddit is notoriously bad at this.

I preferred the old forum style, where even unpopular or strange messages were still placed in chronological order.

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