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Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by mwcampbell »

avereveard wrote: post #189
maficious wrote: post #140

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The font, m8, the font. Use monospcae font and it works like a charm.

I haven't changed anything, just downloaded and launched, that's the result. if the term only works with one font why is the software picking a random one from the system conf?

It looks like refterm is hard-coded to use Cascadia Mono, which isn't included in-box with Windows 10. So I don't know what happens if you don't have that font. If that's the only issue, then I think we can let that one go, as refterm is clearly only a proof of concept, and one-time logic for choosing the correct font at startup would presumably have no effect on rendering speed.

Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by amw-zero »

tinco wrote: post #49
jiggawatts wrote: post #20

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This particular case was discussed at length on Reddit and on YC News. The general consensus was that the Microsoft developers simply didn't have performance in the vocabulary, and couldn't fathom it being a solvable problem despite having a trivial scenario on their hands with no complexity to it at all. The "complaining developer" produced a proof of concept in just two weekends that notably had more features[1] an…

And the experienced developer is Casey Muratori who is somewhat well known for being a very experienced developer. That makes it less likely that he doesn't know what he's talking about and is skipping over hard/slow features.

And he had a condescending tone from the beginning (as he always does). Maybe if he was more respectful / likable, the developers would have responded better.

Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by maficious »

withinboredom wrote: post #193
makomk wrote: post #178

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The fact that Casey Muratori's proposed approach requires the terminal to reimplement the process of correctly mapping characters to glyphs - including stuff like fallbacks to other fonts - is a huge part of the argument for why it's much harder to implement and more complicated than he claims. If it really doesn't do that right for something as simple as a decimal seperator for the font some random HN commenter happ…

You can’t use a non-monospace font on a tiled space. Like that literally makes no sense. Of course it won’t look right. This is like asking why you can’t use `out` parameters on an inherent async function.

Then again, refterm doesn't f*ck it up. It still renders proportional font; just aligned to tiles. It is essentially doing the same as for emoji.

Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by oytis »

oakfr wrote: post #34

It saddens me to see, time and again, the role of leadership painted in such a dire and incorrect way. Leadership is a lot more than about "shuffling paper" in an "ivory tower". As a lead (in any decent company), you get to participate in critical design reviews; you get to read and review code; you get to shape the trajectory of others; you get to participate in discussions with the product teams. If you work smart,…

> And none is better than the other.

I agree with you, but few companies know how to appreciate those who decided to progress in the technical excellence. In most not taking a "leadership" (aka management) position means your career reaches a dead end.

Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by avereveard »

mwcampbell wrote: post #201
avereveard wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't changed anything, just downloaded and launched, that's the result. if the term only works with one font why is the software picking a random one from the system conf?

It looks like refterm is hard-coded to use Cascadia Mono, which isn't included in-box with Windows 10. So I don't know what happens if you don't have that font. If that's the only issue, then I think we can let that one go, as refterm is clearly only a proof of concept, and one-time logic for choosing the correct font at startup would presumably have no effect on rendering speed.

https://i.imgur.com/WeV8Ror.png

no, doesn't work with cascadia either.

so what now?

Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by avereveard »

mwcampbell wrote: post #144
maficious wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The font, m8, the font. Use monospcae font and it works like a charm.

Does the GP's chosen font work correctly in Windows Terminal, though? If so, then that proves that there is indeed more to a fully functional terminal renderer than refterm covers.

doesn't work even with the proper font https://i.imgur.com/WeV8Ror.png

Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by avereveard »

vermilingua wrote: post #179
mwcampbell wrote: post #144

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Does the GP's chosen font work correctly in Windows Terminal, though? If so, then that proves that there is indeed more to a fully functional terminal renderer than refterm covers.

This is some schoolyard level stuff right here. The GP isn't using a monospaced font. Who, in the history of terminal emulators, has wanted to use a non-monospaced font in their terminal?

https://i.imgur.com/WeV8Ror.png so what now?

Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by mwcampbell »

avereveard wrote: post #205
mwcampbell wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like refterm is hard-coded to use Cascadia Mono, which isn't included in-box with Windows 10. So I don't know what happens if you don't have that font. If that's the only issue, then I think we can let that one go, as refterm is clearly only a proof of concept, and one-time logic for choosing the correct font at startup would presumably have no effect on rendering speed.

https://i.imgur.com/WeV8Ror.png no, doesn't work with cascadia either. so what now?

I suspect an i18n issue. What locale are you using, and what is the decimal separator character supposed to be in your locale?

Re: It takes a PhD to develop that

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Post by avereveard »

maficious wrote: post #188
makomk wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Casey Muratori's proposed approach requires the terminal to reimplement the process of correctly mapping characters to glyphs - including stuff like fallbacks to other fonts - is a huge part of the argument for why it's much harder to implement and more complicated than he claims. If it really doesn't do that right for something as simple as a decimal seperator for the font some random HN commenter happ…

The "font some random HN commenter happened to use" is some f****** proportional Calibri. I want to see someone use it in any terminal emulator. Refterm defaults to Cascadia Code, but, fair enough, it doesn't have fallback yet. Its' description says also: "Reference monospace terminal renderer". "monospace" is there for a reason. It's worth mentioning though, that Windows Terminal also defaults to Cascadia Code and C…

> some f*** proportional Calibri Refterm defaults to Cascadia Code

cascadia is as borken as the other font, so what now?

https://i.imgur.com/WeV8Ror.png

maybe writing a unicode rendering isn't that easy? maybe drop the attitude?

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