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Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Whether or not what Facebook did was illegal and she technically qualifies as a "whistleblower", I salute her for what she has done and is doing by telling this story. People need to know about this, because it is harmful. This doesn't mean it should be illegal. But it is something people should consider if they go to work for Facebook (or other companies), and hopefully it will inspire people to do something about t…

From where do you get the notion that something illegal needs to take place for someone to qualify as "whistleblower"? First time I encounter this idea.

(Disclaimer: IANAL)

A "whistleblower" in the USA is a legal term of art used to describe someone who reports wrong-doing to the government. The conduct being disclosed doesn't necessarily have to be explicitly illegal, but in order to be considered a whistleblower under the law, the information has to be disclosed to the appropriate government agency (i.e., reporting wrong-doing to a private organization or going public in the media wouldn't legally be considered protected whistleblowing).

More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower_protection_in_th...

The OP's article says that Frances Haugen reported Facebook's actions to the SEC, so that may make her a whistleblower legally, but it's not clear if the SEC is the appropriate agency to handle social media regulation. That seems more like something the FTC or the FCC would be responsible for.

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Teenagers are not interested in facebook at all.

So because the name of the social app is different today the OP's point makes no sense?

No, the way social apps engage today is different to how facebook does. Not sure if I understand what you mean?

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It's an unfortunate but inevitable outcome of the attention economys race to the bottom. This area needs better regulation. The best approach is to stay out of technical implementation and focus on what principles companies should adhere to. As James Williams argue: it should be a civil right to have "freedom of chance". We already knew all too well what it does to our democracy that a large part of the public only g…

Many people are saying "regulation" What would that regulation actually require social media companies to do?

Here is how i think of it:

Put people in an fMRI machine while reading and interacting with the facebook feed of a celebrity, or person that they dont have personal connection with

Then show people the feed of their friends or family

Then force facebook to change its algorithms until the two fMRI readings show similar level of activation of key areas in limbic system

The real power of facebook is that it exploits the stronger emotional relationship that people have with close friends/family , as opposed to the shallow relationship they have with other public figures, which is what the TV/radio/news exploited in the past

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We have seen this story before. Person joins Facebook thinking they can "help". Then quits. Facebook is a public company whose purpose is serve advertisers. Online ads is the only way they can generate revenue. It is not some woo-woo about connecting the world, giving people a voice, or whatever. That's what the internet enables, not a single website controlled by someone else. Facebook tries to take credit for what…

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Sorry but nothing she shared is incriminating. It’s just the challenges internally that Facebook has to deal with given their scale and how much content is shared every second. She makes a false choice that somehow Facebook can 100% make it safe but they just choose not to. It doesn’t matter who regulates it, who is in charge, the technology aspect of figuring out what is “dangerous” content and what isn’t is still i…

What right does Facebook have to exist at the scale it does?

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Facebook is going to become a hollowed out shell of itself if they do not change. They’ll get hollowed out by litigation, legislation, investors, or all of the above. They need new leadership. The tactics that got them here will not carry them further. There are tons of examples of the positive impact of new leadership, on companies like Apple, Microsoft, Uber, Disney, Ford, etc. And there are certainly plenty of exa…

The simplest solution is the one FB will never accept, and yet the harm to the public would be virtually zero: Eliminate all news, politics, and other public policy groups and apps. Return to being just a way to connect with friends and family. No one needs to get their news from Facebook. There are plenty of other sites on the Web for that. Same for all these other "engagement" services. Of course, this would cut th…

> The simplest solution … : Eliminate all news, politics, and other public policy groups and apps.

I assume users want this content. I never see news, politics, etc because I’m not interested and FB has learnt I won’t engage in it.

I’m not trying to say this makes me good or bad or special. I’m saying that they use feedback each user individually and it seems allot of people want that stuff.

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The simplest solution is the one FB will never accept, and yet the harm to the public would be virtually zero: Eliminate all news, politics, and other public policy groups and apps. Return to being just a way to connect with friends and family. No one needs to get their news from Facebook. There are plenty of other sites on the Web for that. Same for all these other "engagement" services. Of course, this would cut th…

What you describe is basically Instagram

Which is why FB will never accept it. There's room in FB for one Instagram. Not two of them.

Besides, I don't know about everyone else, but a fair chunk of my FB feed was pretty much people getting outraged by (or trying to discredit) fake news, hyperbolic news, or disinformation. Because that's the stuff that goes viral.

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The real takeaway: Parents protect your children from social media. Talk to them. Give them rules to keep them safe. Say "No." Don't wait for Zuckerberg to do it. Don't wait for Congress to do it. Get yourself away from it, and get your children off it. Find some other way to share pictures with grandma and grandpa. We need regulation, yes, but this is the same as people smoking themselves into an early grave, but on…

> Parents protect your children from social media

Now that you say it, it seems obvious. Just compare to anything else with kids: 'all good, you have nothing to worry'? Well, nothing. There is no free lunch.

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Many people are saying "regulation" What would that regulation actually require social media companies to do?

This is not palatable but trivial. Your login tied to your actual ID. Sites that won't participate can't take US funds or do business with entities that also want to do business with the US. Call for violence or threaten people go to jail. Spread malicious lies you knew are false for political gains go to jail. Spread others harmful crap unwittingly that would tend to lead to others deaths get a ticket for actual mon…

Let’s wait and see how that works in China before doing it ourselves, too.
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