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Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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I had an experience with Frances in 2018 while at a company prior to her joining Facebook. She was somewhat unprofessional with me by abruptly cancelling a meeting without a very good excuse or much followup. I believe the CTO had asked her to take a meeting with me but she mostly disregarded that request. I don't see much that is substantial coming out of this. She's brought hell upon herself while playing in a most…

The fact you made an account just to post this. lol.

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Facebook needs to be shut down. Dissolve the corporation, confiscate its assets under civil forfeiture laws, and put Zuckerberg and his enablers in jail.

Lol this isn't /r/news on Reddit. You don't get credit for shouting empty rally slogans like that. For better or worse, in this country you don't get to confiscate assets, dissolve corporations or put people in jail just because you don't like them.

> For better or worse, in this country you don't get to confiscate assets, dissolve corporations or put people in jail just because you don't like them.

This is the country where people have been summarily executed for driving while black. I'm sure the DOJ can build a criminal case against Facebook under the RICO statutes or some anti-terrorism statute that will let them put criminal forfeiture on the table.

Besides, Facebook is incorporated in Delaware. They didn't get their corporate charter out of a Cracker Jack box.

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_de/3835815

That state's attorney has the authority to petition the state's Chancery Court to have Facebook's charter revoked. The General Assembly has authority under the Delaware state constitution to ensure that corporations that engage in malfeasance can forcibly shut down.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Facebook is going to become a hollowed out shell of itself if they do not change. They’ll get hollowed out by litigation, legislation, investors, or all of the above. They need new leadership. The tactics that got them here will not carry them further. There are tons of examples of the positive impact of new leadership, on companies like Apple, Microsoft, Uber, Disney, Ford, etc. And there are certainly plenty of exa…

Does anyone track the premium Facebook has to pay to get people to close their eyes and work for them? Subjectively, it feels like it’s growing, but that’s from sampling a limited friend group.

Anecdotally, FB pays the most of all the typical companies for SWE. Compared to google it's probably a 20 - 30% bump.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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The fact that congress has not done anything about FB (other than fruitless hearings) shows how badly in shape we are to confront the risks of social networks.

I think this is where tech workers are failing society. Other industries actively write legislation bc they understand that politicians are not technocrats. The best thing we've come up with is the EFF, but we need to do more given how consequential our industry has become. So if we understand how engagement optimization works, then what governing rules could we come up with to minimize the negative pact?

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Whether or not what Facebook did was illegal and she technically qualifies as a "whistleblower", I salute her for what she has done and is doing by telling this story. People need to know about this, because it is harmful. This doesn't mean it should be illegal. But it is something people should consider if they go to work for Facebook (or other companies), and hopefully it will inspire people to do something about t…

I don't think we should want good people to stop working for Facebook. That never made sense to me. Facebook isn't going anywhere, and as such it should be improved, and the only way that will happen is if good people keep going to work there and trying to make it better.

"facebook isnt going anywhere". If this was the 90s/early 2000s you would say that about Yahoo. MySpace was a thing for a long time and operated in a way that we were never concerned about it causing the end of democracy or a civil war or helping dictator. I know part of it was technology at the time but also MySpace never used the kind of rage inciting algorithms Facebook does. I only hope PyTorch and Oculus get spun off before facebook gets shut down.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Facebook is going to become a hollowed out shell of itself if they do not change. They’ll get hollowed out by litigation, legislation, investors, or all of the above. They need new leadership. The tactics that got them here will not carry them further. There are tons of examples of the positive impact of new leadership, on companies like Apple, Microsoft, Uber, Disney, Ford, etc. And there are certainly plenty of exa…

You know, I would like to believe this is the case. That some combination of litagation, legislation etc will bring down FB. But outside of the HN bubble I'm unfortunately doubtful it'll actually happen. My friends and family outside of tech has no issues with what FB is doing. Wallstreet also seems to have no issues with what FB is doing. It really just seems to be the techies on HN that are yelling and screaming.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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The real takeaway: Parents protect your children from social media. Talk to them. Give them rules to keep them safe. Say "No." Don't wait for Zuckerberg to do it. Don't wait for Congress to do it. Get yourself away from it, and get your children off it. Find some other way to share pictures with grandma and grandpa. We need regulation, yes, but this is the same as people smoking themselves into an early grave, but on…

100% this. From what I heard Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, completely disallowed their kids to use of smartphones until they were much older and independent.

When there is no skin-in-the-game, one must ask why, do they do this?

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we should want good people to stop working for Facebook. That never made sense to me. Facebook isn't going anywhere, and as such it should be improved, and the only way that will happen is if good people keep going to work there and trying to make it better.

I’m not really well versed in the history of consumerism, so I ask: Is there a common pattern to what happens with companies which produce harmful products for their customers? Facebook is by no means the first company to do something like this. E.g. Which cigarette company went furthest in marketing to children, are they still in business? Did any car companies refuse to include seat belts after their safety records…

Camel is out of business and they had a cartoon mascot. Also i cant remember the name but one used the Flintstones, they are also out of business.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Whether or not what Facebook did was illegal and she technically qualifies as a "whistleblower", I salute her for what she has done and is doing by telling this story. People need to know about this, because it is harmful. This doesn't mean it should be illegal. But it is something people should consider if they go to work for Facebook (or other companies), and hopefully it will inspire people to do something about t…

I don't think we should want good people to stop working for Facebook. That never made sense to me. Facebook isn't going anywhere, and as such it should be improved, and the only way that will happen is if good people keep going to work there and trying to make it better.

You can say that for Fox News, or for some company that makes the predator drones. But many would clearly not want to work for such companies. Yet Facebook, a lot of tech folks decide “meh it’s not exactly a war crime” or are blithely/willfully ignorant of its consequences. After this unrefutable proof now, anyone who joins Facebook better learn to live with their decision, if that’s the kind of dilemma they care about that is.
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