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Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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If you want to save society, the mental health of our children, and preserve a sane and functional democracy, etc, etc. Stop working for Facebook. Quit working for that leadership. Let their talent erode and their technical debt lead to atrophy. Don't expend your finite life living and slaving for this empire of evil. The next best step is to pledge to not hire ex-Facebookers.

> pledge to not hire ex-Facebookers I agree that Facebook is a plague, but this divisive, realpolitik, tough-guy power-play nastiness really nauseates me.

Cancel culture dude, never heard of it? If it applies to people who made a mistake in the past it applies to facebookers right?

Or are we suddenly done with that stupid phase?

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I hate Facebook, but your statement begs the question: "who defines what is harmful"

I think we should agree that women and girls physically harming themselves is "harmful". > Frances Haugen: And what's super tragic is Facebook's own research says, as these young women begin to consume this-- this eating disorder content, they get more and more depressed. And it actually makes them use the app more. And so, they end up in this feedback cycle where they hate their bodies more and more. Facebook's own…

It's like a motorcycle for dudes. The faster you go, the more you like it, the more likely you are to die.

Do I think motorcycles are harmful? No.

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I've watched the interview as posted on 60 minutes' youtube channel - its here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lx5VmAdZSI - its 13 minutes long.

What I'm thankful for out of this is a little more public awareness of the engagement engines and incentives that motivate ad revenue based content platforms, driving people towards more extreme content as they'll stay longer on it.

Facebook's policy communications director responded to the piece thus:

> "Every day our teams have to balance protecting the rights of billions of people to express themselves openly with the need to keep our platform a safe and positive space. We continue to make significant improvements to tackle the spread of misinformation and harmful content. To suggest we encourage bad content and do nothing is just not true.".

Have they visited their platform? The callout here is that it is in fact not a positive place, and that they're directly incentivized to put forward high-engagement content, much of which has negative consequences. The words to reframe it as "bad" content and that they "do nothing" is reflective of the culture they have. Any argument that works regardless of moral reflection, just like any content that gets ad revenue regardless of moral reflection.

I think it would help the discourse and thinking if we sidestep the subject of "who decides what is negative/bad content?". I also think the idea of finding "better incentives" is going to immediately fail, because what sort of incentives could possibly be more alluring to a publicly traded company than massive profit margins? For that reason, I think some simple regulations, not around content, for which regulations already exist and there are incentives to keep violent content off, but instead around the amplification of content by engagement metrics.

At a very minimum, disallowing amplifying content simply because its being engaged with and being actually content neutral would be a nice step. Twitter's "Top Tweets" setting or "Explore" tab are good examples of this, as is basically the entire feeds of linkedin, facebook, instagram's "Suggested posts", etc.

For Facebook - I would ask them to make tools that let users take control of their own feeds. They absolutely have the ability to allow people to mute political posts if they wished. They could have settings that don’t allow image posts or links, or reposts. Or even hiding the number of likes, reactions and comments on posts. If facebook starts acting as if engagement isn’t the end all be all and maybe I’d start to believe what they say about making their platform a positive space.

For me the promise of Facebook was being able to keep up with what friends and family are doing. The platform is so far away from that I have long since left.

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Whether or not what Facebook did was illegal and she technically qualifies as a "whistleblower", I salute her for what she has done and is doing by telling this story. People need to know about this, because it is harmful. This doesn't mean it should be illegal. But it is something people should consider if they go to work for Facebook (or other companies), and hopefully it will inspire people to do something about t…

The term whistleblower here is just a means to raise awareness for this information, which is good (not that it does much for the FB-reading population, besides those infatuated with following conspiracy theories).

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This individual is not a 'whistleblower'. Nothing revealed is illegal or fraudulent.

The claim lodged with the SEC is that Facebook Inc defrauded investors. Dodd Frank set up a whistleblower program for allegations of this kind.

I mean nothing gets corporations spooked like the SEC does! How could Facebook ever afford to pay those fines!

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> Facebook has two classes of shares I had no idea companies could legally create vastly unequal schemes like that. How do people even find out about things like this? Is this information available somewhere? Impossible to make good investment decisions without this sort of knowledge.

It adds a level of stability. Some institutional investors don't want shareholders to have power over a company because that opens the doors to things like hostile takeovers. Having all the voting power vested in the core "founders" means the company won't ever be subject to change from outside. So, if you like things as they are, you can rest assured that things likely will never change. Only a long term investor, s…

What is the point of publicly trading a company if the public can never actually gain control of it? That would make it solely about speculation.

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Is it me or have things shifted from “prevent what you say online from being traced back to you as much as possible as it could be used against you” to “what you say online is now part of your resume and ‘leaving it blank’ is a ‘bad look’”? I’m … not young and follow the “blank slate” approach. Was just wondering if the world had changed while I wasn’t paying attention.

Blank is fine. I don’t think anything really changed there — those of us who think their opinions are worth other people hearing about (and I’m generally in that camp) have been around since time immemorial, and I doubt we’re growing as a percentage. It’s just that social media has provided us a big new platform, much more visible than Usenet or whatever. I think generally companies don’t care what you write online a…

There is a difference between being heard and having your real name and a photo of your face attached to what you said like in some cases on Twitter.

I was wondering if social media has become so ingrained into the lives of the younger generations (and maybe even the elderly) that it’s effectively as much a part of their public identity as their choice of clothes and academic/career accomplishments.

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have they defined what "hate speech" and "misinformation" mean these days? More often than not these terms are used by one party to silence & suppress opposing views of another. Thankfully Zuckerberg doesn't give a damn, one would be hard-pressed to find a better CEO for social media company who can stand up to all this whining.

Facebook is used all over the world.

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It adds a level of stability. Some institutional investors don't want shareholders to have power over a company because that opens the doors to things like hostile takeovers. Having all the voting power vested in the core "founders" means the company won't ever be subject to change from outside. So, if you like things as they are, you can rest assured that things likely will never change. Only a long term investor, s…

What is the point of publicly trading a company if the public can never actually gain control of it? That would make it solely about speculation.

>> it's just about speculation.

As opposed to all the other reasons people buy publicly-traded shares?

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Perhaps I am of the minority opinion, but I damn sure was never worried about a bunch of selfie-taking unarmed rednecks destroying the United States of America. My faith in this country goes a little deeper than that.

I wonder if your opinion would be different if those unarmed rednecks were able to get to Speaker Pelosi, Leader Schumer, Minority Leader McConnell or VP Pence? Those "unarmed rednecks" were able to do something not even the various armies of the Confederacy couldn't: get inside the capitol. People are not terrified enough, because this group of people saw they could do it and I have a strong feeling they will try ag…

Susan Rosenberg was part of a group of former Weather Underground members that bombed the U.S. capitol in 1983. She was pardoned by Clinton and became involved with the company bankrolling the largest BLM organization in the world.

In what way is a group of proles walking around, taking selfies, and breaking some glass comparable?

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