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Firefighters say they’re swamped by calls for routine care from senior homes

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Post by jachee »

peteradio wrote: post #51
soperj wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The US can barely afford to school its children You're the richest nation on earth. You can afford it, the people who control the purse strings choose to use it on other shit that benefits themselves.

> You're the richest nation on earth* *On paper

How else does one track “richest” anything? On paper is what matters when counting wealth.

That said, the gap between capability and actuality of spending that your parent comment is lamenting is the gap for that on-paper wealth not being used for real-world-improving actions, and instead being used to increase the on-paper wealth of a tiny minority of wealth-holders.

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

soperj wrote: post #39
tomrod wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the solution is to spend less money but pay people more, and shoulder the rest on taxpayers? This probably won't work very long since the population isn't as triangular as it used to be (to my understanding this is what happened to Japan). I get the justified call to fix things for people that require these services. The US can barely afford to school its children, purchase its homes, or enact reasonable public he…

>The US can barely afford to school its children You're the richest nation on earth. You can afford it, the people who control the purse strings choose to use it on other shit that benefits themselves.

Humor me, by what measure is the US the richest nation on earth, or even close? Anything per capita will be dominated by Monaco/other tax havens. Anything on a gross level will be dominated by China.

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Post by ipaddr »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #29
exabrial wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great observation and there's an obvious answer you may have not made the connection on: it's cheaper, more efficient, and saves lives. Many midwestern states, because of their large land area, face a bit different problem than compact cities: you can only get some place so fast by highway. Furthermore, because of the large distances, it could be too late when certain first responders are dispatched and the…

Except it isn't obvious, because it isn't true. When I was living in an apartment complex, I had a neighbor with a magnesium imbalance, and she had an "emergency" about once every 10 days. Her elderly husband was unable to move her to get her the infusions she needed, so he would call the paramedics, who promptly got her out of the apartment every time. The fire department also brought a truck every time, which block…

In some cities you call 911 give an address and police, fire and paramedics will arrive while they are figuring out what the emergecy is.

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Post by MattGaiser »

cepp wrote: post #57

Back when I worked at $HEALTHCARE_INUSRANCE_CO we were trying to solve this (more general problem) from the other side. We regularly saw routine calls for what could only be described as "loneliness". Our research lead us to find that a high percentage of elderly folks (50+) identified as lonely regardless of their living situation. [1] Looking deeper into claims data, we found a high percentage of these calls were i…

> and the company was uncomfortable shouldering the financial and legal cost of trying to create a solution.

Did they find a solution before determining that?

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Post by germinalphrase »

mtnGoat wrote: post #67

Playing devils advocate here but maybe we have too many fire fighters? I have four good friends that work in metropolitan fire houses all making well into the six figures. They constantly joke about how they get paid to do nothing and haven’t been on a fire in years, mainly they respond to calls at old folks homes. Oh and the only work a four or five days a month.

I was with you until that last line. I know two fire fighters; they work a standard 160 a month (though the schedule itself is kind of bonkers).

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Post by [deleted] »

john_yaya wrote: post #15

Senior homes and assisted living centers are a national disgrace. They are entirely about profit maximization (what business isn’t?), and as such hire people at the exact minimum and have well over 100% yearly turnover. The staff commonly steal from residents, and the management do not care. They’d rather retain a larcenous pig who barely executes her duties than have to go back and scrape the barrel for a replacemen…

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Post by [deleted] »

falcolas wrote: post #48
john_yaya wrote: post #15

Senior homes and assisted living centers are a national disgrace. They are entirely about profit maximization (what business isn’t?), and as such hire people at the exact minimum and have well over 100% yearly turnover. The staff commonly steal from residents, and the management do not care. They’d rather retain a larcenous pig who barely executes her duties than have to go back and scrape the barrel for a replacemen…

> Elderly people should live with their families. No. It’s an unreasonable burden to expect families, which are barely holding themselves together in this wonderful world of mandatory-two-income-households we’ve built, to take on not only their adult children who can’t afford to rent or buy their own homes, but also the extensive and expensive care of their elders.

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Post by gruez »

mtnGoat wrote: post #67

Playing devils advocate here but maybe we have too many fire fighters? I have four good friends that work in metropolitan fire houses all making well into the six figures. They constantly joke about how they get paid to do nothing and haven’t been on a fire in years, mainly they respond to calls at old folks homes. Oh and the only work a four or five days a month.

> Playing devils advocate here but maybe we have too many fire fighters?

It sounds like the type of service that you want to over-provision for. What if a major fire broke out and you needed all of them?

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Post by LurkingPenguin »

cepp wrote: post #57

Back when I worked at $HEALTHCARE_INUSRANCE_CO we were trying to solve this (more general problem) from the other side. We regularly saw routine calls for what could only be described as "loneliness". Our research lead us to find that a high percentage of elderly folks (50+) identified as lonely regardless of their living situation. [1] Looking deeper into claims data, we found a high percentage of these calls were i…

> Our research lead us to find that a high percentage of elderly folks (50+)...

People in their 50s are now considered elderly?

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Post by batch12 »

john_yaya wrote: post #15

Senior homes and assisted living centers are a national disgrace. They are entirely about profit maximization (what business isn’t?), and as such hire people at the exact minimum and have well over 100% yearly turnover. The staff commonly steal from residents, and the management do not care. They’d rather retain a larcenous pig who barely executes her duties than have to go back and scrape the barrel for a replacemen…

Sad thing is that this is nothing new. I caught this same thing in the first episode of a show from 1984. If I get in a situation where I have been committed to one of these facilities, I hope, for their sake, I have forgotten all the adversarial pentesting skills I've acquired over the years.
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