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Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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This individual is not a 'whistleblower'. Nothing revealed is illegal or fraudulent.

Are there no consumer protection laws which forbids a company from pushing a product to market that they know to be harmful to their customers? IANAL but it seems pretty illegal to my eyes.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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The biggest conspiracy theory and insurrection attempt was the fake Russian conspiracy and the conspiracy to affect the election outcome conveniently described by time magazine. I'm completely uninterested in a ragtag group of curly haired shirtless weirdos who stormed congress. I am concerned about large corporations, rich interest groups and large multi media conglomerates that have actual power to affect political…

Do you not care about people attacking your biggest symbol of power. Within in reach of many of your representatives. Driven by years of hate and misinformation? You should care. Russian interference is well documented by American intelligence agencies and private individuals.

Perhaps I am of the minority opinion, but I damn sure was never worried about a bunch of selfie-taking unarmed rednecks destroying the United States of America. My faith in this country goes a little deeper than that.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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If you want to save society, the mental health of our children, and preserve a sane and functional democracy, etc, etc. Stop working for Facebook. Quit working for that leadership. Let their talent erode and their technical debt lead to atrophy. Don't expend your finite life living and slaving for this empire of evil. The next best step is to pledge to not hire ex-Facebookers.

> pledge to not hire ex-Facebookers

I agree that Facebook is a plague, but this divisive, realpolitik, tough-guy power-play nastiness really nauseates me.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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If you want to save society, the mental health of our children, and preserve a sane and functional democracy, etc, etc. Stop working for Facebook. Quit working for that leadership. Let their talent erode and their technical debt lead to atrophy. Don't expend your finite life living and slaving for this empire of evil. The next best step is to pledge to not hire ex-Facebookers.

> pledge to not hire ex-Facebookers I agree that Facebook is a plague, but this divisive, realpolitik, tough-guy power-play nastiness really nauseates me.

It’s not even realpolitik. Talent is talent, if 90% of the market isn’t competing it provides financial edge for those willing to break the cartel.

The chances of it working are near zero because there’s always some asshole capitalist like myself to f it up.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk. If you found out that your product is harmful, I would expect you to stop producing it. This is the case for every other consumer products except maybe cigarettes and alcohol. For example, if they find out a car is not safe, they pull it of the market at the very least, sometimes they even issue a recall. Why do we not hold social media products to the same standards?

But cars aren’t safe, many people die from cars every year.

Cars and Social Media is pretty hard to compare, but I’ll give it a shot:

The equivalent here is not that a company produces cars, and that cars are dangerous. The equivalence is more in the line of a specific car manufacturer makes a car which they know is more dangerous to a subset of their customers, but still continue to push it to them.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

#86

This individual is not a 'whistleblower'. Nothing revealed is illegal or fraudulent.

It doesn't have to be illegal or fraudulent to reveal bad things about the company that the company doesn't allow its employees to reveal. Looking up various definitions of the term, the activity reported on doesn't necessarily have to be illegal. Though I acknowledge that in many cases the activity involved is illegal.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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Facebook is going to become a hollowed out shell of itself if they do not change. They’ll get hollowed out by litigation, legislation, investors, or all of the above.

They need new leadership. The tactics that got them here will not carry them further. There are tons of examples of the positive impact of new leadership, on companies like Apple, Microsoft, Uber, Disney, Ford, etc.

And there are certainly plenty of examples of very successful companies who thought they were not touchable, but received tremendous financial harm from the rest of society.

There is a time for a company to fight, and there is a time to make peace. Facebook is geared up to fight, basically, everyone. No company can win against everyone. They need a leader who can let go of what they wanted Facebook to be, and see clearly what it is. Only then can a path to the future be plotted.

Yes I know Zuckerberg cannot be ousted by typical corporate maneuvering. Unfortunately I think that probably just increases the chance he will take it down with him.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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> She also sifted through the company’s internal social network, called Facebook Workplace,...for years the company has been tightening access to sensitive material. Of course FB's highest priority order of business: lock down Facebook Workplace and put much tighter controls in place for disseminating internal documents.

https://workplace.com/security

Those claims about privacy and security are certainly believable. Facebook has only leaked a billion or so profiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Breaches

Yes, this seems like a prudent choice for companies to use Facebook, excuse me, "Workplace", to manage internal data. Heck, why does Facebook need to sell ads, they could just sell "Workplace". The service seems to be working well for Facebook, except for the leaks.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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The biggest conspiracy theory and insurrection attempt was the fake Russian conspiracy and the conspiracy to affect the election outcome conveniently described by time magazine. I'm completely uninterested in a ragtag group of curly haired shirtless weirdos who stormed congress. I am concerned about large corporations, rich interest groups and large multi media conglomerates that have actual power to affect political…

Probably because the Jan 6th riot is one of the most recent and tangible outcomes of that years-long onslaught that set the stage for this sort of thing to happen.

Re: Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not harm it

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not care about people attacking your biggest symbol of power. Within in reach of many of your representatives. Driven by years of hate and misinformation? You should care. Russian interference is well documented by American intelligence agencies and private individuals.

Perhaps I am of the minority opinion, but I damn sure was never worried about a bunch of selfie-taking unarmed rednecks destroying the United States of America. My faith in this country goes a little deeper than that.

I wonder if your opinion would be different if those unarmed rednecks were able to get to Speaker Pelosi, Leader Schumer, Minority Leader McConnell or VP Pence?

Those "unarmed rednecks" were able to do something not even the various armies of the Confederacy couldn't: get inside the capitol.

People are not terrified enough, because this group of people saw they could do it and I have a strong feeling they will try again.

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