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A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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We've observed perhaps the closest thing to alien intelligence in the form of intelligent cephalopods -- like squids, octopuses, and cuttlefish. What surprises me about octopuses is how, despite a brain structure that diverged from our lineage perhaps billions of years ago and is vastly different from ours (they have a small central brain and enormously innervated tentacles each with its own local processing), they m…

In the end, it all comes down to food and comfort. I can't imagine a life form that won't look fondly upon another life form that helps them get their preferred food, and helps limit or avoid discomfort. Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

Remember the story of the goose that laid the golden eggs? That goose was providing but the farmer got greedy. In real life there tons of stories of people being attacked by animals they fed and sheltered for years.

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Highly, highly recommend Vinge's A Deepness In The Sky [0], which won the Hugo in 2000. It's a hard-sci-fi story about how various societies, human and alien, attempt to assert control & hegemony over centuries of time (in many ways thinking of this as a distributed systems and code documentation problem!), and how critical and impactful the role of language translation is in helping people to understand foreign ways…

+1. A Deepness in the Sky is one of the most underrated works of speculative fiction that I've read. It is a masterwork of plotting and character work. A Fire Upon the Deep has some great ideas and some characters that have stuck with me, but I think Deepness is a far superior work. Its brilliance is that it has the structure of a great work of fiction but you can basically just read it as straight pulp science ficti…

I recently read Fire Upon the Deep and I think I'd agree that Vinge is great at speculative fiction. I hadn't looked at the publish/copyright date when I borrowed the ebook from my library.

I was shocked just now to see it's a thirty year old book. Zero signs or hints of it, at least to me. The concept that computers/AIs can be affected by the region of space they're in is a nifty idea I don't think I've seen before, and one can find some parallels today (for example, Siri now on a sufficiently new enough iPhone isn't completely useless, but much more capable when within range of a data connection.)

My only complaint about FUtD was that some elements of the plot, namely stuff going on in the planet, felt drawn out and slow.

Thank you both for recommending another one of his books.

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+1. A Deepness in the Sky is one of the most underrated works of speculative fiction that I've read. It is a masterwork of plotting and character work. A Fire Upon the Deep has some great ideas and some characters that have stuck with me, but I think Deepness is a far superior work. Its brilliance is that it has the structure of a great work of fiction but you can basically just read it as straight pulp science ficti…

I rate it 6/5

I'd rate it a 5/7 book

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Started off as a great story about a super AI then … alien dogs with some kind of mind reading distributed pack intelligence? Really disappointing. Didn’t bother finishing it.

I think you very much missed the point. The tine packs don't mind read, they have high bandwidth sonic communication and their mind is brought into being through that communication. Much like the same can be said of you, whose brain consists of specialized regions with high-bandwidth communication between them. Individually they're rather dumb dogs, but together they can form a higher intelligence.

It's an extremely interesting way to explore the nature of the mind, and what it means to be a conscious, thinking entity. The super-AI thing is just a thriller plot point to move the story forward, by comparison.

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I had to google what "ENCRYPTED DAISY download. For print-disabled users" means. " "Print disabled" books are those that have been specially formatted in the DAISY format for users who can not read regular print books. These titles are only accessible on a specialized device to patrons having a key issued by the Library of Congress. " " The Digital Accessible Information SYstem (DAISY) format is a means of creating d…

Good catch! I wonder how access to DAISY format can be made more accessible. Perhaps a service that automatically fills out the necessary paperwork?

Every state has a library for the blind that will gladly assist eligible persons. The list is here[1].

[1] https://www.loc.gov/nls/braille-audio-reading-materials/find...

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Not that it super matters, but I was turned onto Vernor Vinge novels by John Carmack. Can't find the original ref. I think it was one of his plan files, but here is a recent Twitter response to lex Friedman as well as an old slashdot q&a: https://mobile.twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/130610983140... https://m.slashdot.org/story/7828

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My daughter is named after one of Vinge's characters! Big fan of his work.

I named a character in an unpublished novel after Ravna. It was hard coming up with justification for her name, though; last I looked (a long time ago) there was just Vinge and part of the hyphenated name of a European hotel. I decided her parents called her that because she was conceived there, a la Ron Howard and his kids.

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My daughter is named after one of Vinge's characters! Big fan of his work.

I named a character in an unpublished novel after Ravna. It was hard coming up with justification for her name, though; last I looked (a long time ago) there was just Vinge and part of the hyphenated name of a European hotel. I decided her parents called her that because she was conceived there, a la Ron Howard and his kids.

Like Fenchurch with Douglass Adams!

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The protagonist is a synthesist - whose sole job is to translate the incomprehensible in-language of the augmented scientists to mission control

They speak sensible english.

It's mentioned that they're actually speaking a creole that's been translated and simplified to english for the (baseline) reader.
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