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Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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post #3

Anyone know why piholes default config has this site on the deny list?

I would be surprised if this list is on a default config, but it seems to be on this fake news list: https://github.com/Entree3k/Pi-hole-Block-List/blob/master/F...

Yes yer right I did add that. Thanks

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

#122
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a different point. People don't show "normal" sex in movies for the same reasons they don't show people eating, going to the toilet and that sort of stuff.

People eat in movies all the time. Hitting the toilet, no. Guys don’t think about going to the toilet every few minutes for the majority of adulthood. People’s hormonal drives don’t push them into social near-life decisions for other sorts of stuff besides sex.

That's fair, and that also explains why "unregular" sex is shown the most, and not "healthy/regular" sex.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

#123
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the discussion is around "art", considering the examples given in the article. It's mostly about mass media.

Ok, so they should have asked "What constitutes 'necessary' in entertainment?" So what? The new question with the approved honest accurate words, not like that original agenda'd deceptive one, still stands.

> So what?

I think the difference is that "What constitutes necessary in art?" is pretty much a closed debate, as it's related to the nature of art, while for entertainment it's a bit different, as it's often (at least in that case it is) made for mass consumption. Since it's made for mass consumption, you can more easily argue about their moral responsibilities than with "art".

> The new question with the approved honest accurate words, not like that original agenda'd deceptive one, still stands.

It does, and I don't have a good answer to it.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

#124
post #11

They've moved to TV shows... Hard to watch any (American) Netflix series without an unnecessary sex scene every 6-8 minutes.

I don't see too much nudity in Netflix shows. Which ones specifically are you thinking about? There are definitely plenty of "bra-on" sex scenes that cut away early in the act, but I don't think that's what the author is talking of.

Uh, bra-on scenes - I hate them, not because I need to see the boobies so much, but because of the intense feeling of fakeness that takes me out of the movie to seeing just two actors pretending something. I hate the bra-on scenes almost as much as I hate the cliché scene where the two in bed are breathing so heavily (to show you they just finished having sex you did not see in the movie) as if they had just finished olympic 400m final.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

#125

The article touches on this, but in the past three decades movie making has been "optimized" to the point that there has been a great deal of "convergence" of the movie formula down to just a couple major themes. Either you have general audience, big budget, Marvel-type movies, or you have designated Oscar-type fare, which as of late means something extremely depressing that says how bad humans are. "Horny sex" just…

>> Not too sad, though, because I feel like the exact opposite has happened with TV, where the rise of streaming services has ushered in a "Cambrian Explosion" of sorts with all types of varied topics and interesting content.

I am worried that soon they will also optimize the hell out of them - platforms like Netflix have all the data: what scene makes you pause and re-watch, what makes you stop watching, God only knows what else they are measuring.

It leaves me wondering to what extent those metrics overlap with the artistic side (whatever that is, but in this context I mean trying to express something genuine, not to please the audience).

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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The article touches on this, but in the past three decades movie making has been "optimized" to the point that there has been a great deal of "convergence" of the movie formula down to just a couple major themes. Either you have general audience, big budget, Marvel-type movies, or you have designated Oscar-type fare, which as of late means something extremely depressing that says how bad humans are. "Horny sex" just…

> […] or you have designated Oscar-type fare, which as of late means something extremely depressing that says how bad humans are.

In the 2020/2021 season, the nominations included The Father about a man suffering dementia (from his perspective) and Sound of Metal about a drummer going deaf.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93rd_Academy_Awards

For 2019, we had the best picture nominations include Ford v Ferrari, Little Women, and 1917:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/92nd_Academy_Awards

Previous to that, Bohemian Rhapsody:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/91st_Academy_Awards

Going back one more year, Dunkirk and Lady Bird:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90th_Academy_Awards

Lastly for this discussion, Arrival, Hacksaw Ridge, Hidden Figures, and La La Land:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_Academy_Awards

I think these are good counter-examples to your claim that only two types of movies being made.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

#127
post #99

Somehow we created a society where violence is acceptable to watch but sex is not. It's okay to watch a human being realistically murder another one YET a penis appearing on screen or a penis entering a vagina/rectum is somehow a mind-blowing event we can only handle in small and censored amounts. Mostly new life come out of sex while mostly death comes out of violence.

> It's okay to watch a human being realistically murder another one Is it? Most movies are unrealistic with their plots. I wouldn't call most action movies "a human being realistically murder another one", they are stories, not real, so the violence is okay because it's not real. > Mostly new life come out of sex while mostly death comes out of violence. I think that's an oversimplification. You can use violence to p…

Well is fairly normal to see someone being shot in a movie. That is a realistic way to die. An unrealistic way to die to me is someone saying the Avada Kedavra curse in Harry Potter. Even action movies for kids are relatively realistic in the way someone dies. Just to put things in perspective, think about the amount of blood you see in movies versus the amount of semen seen in movies. But let's skip movies for kids. Let's talk about adult movies: No Country for Old Men Rated R 17+: the villain strangles a policeman from behind. That scene is as realistic as they come. It haunts my dreams.

> You can use violence to protect people.

You can also avoid a fight by de-escalating or just walk-away which is the best option in real life but is barely portraited in movies.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean he is promoting the startup, it's an investor pitch. I don't read what he's saying as being inaccurate though.

It's an obviously absurd claim.

It literally says in the video I linked to that they're using the pre-vis to determine what the plot should be. If that's possible, then I don't see anything even remotely absurd about the idea of creating a market to license pre-vis.

Now obviously you're not going to be able to user Spider-Man pre-vis if you're making something like Schindler's List, but exploring and facilitating different licensing models seems absolutely worth doing.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

#129
post #48

Somehow we created a society where violence is acceptable to watch but sex is not. It's okay to watch a human being realistically murder another one YET a penis appearing on screen or a penis entering a vagina/rectum is somehow a mind-blowing event we can only handle in small and censored amounts. Mostly new life come out of sex while mostly death comes out of violence.

The violence often relates to the plot, and drives the story forward. The sex scenes generally add nothing.

Movies are supposed to be SHOW DON'T TELL. Sex for many people is the culmination of love and many other feelings. You are depriving the audience the view of one of the most fundamental events of human life.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

#130
post #35

It saddens me that we live in a culture in which movies showing violence (including torture and murder) are acceptable, whereas ones showing consensual, non-pornographic intercourse - aren’t. You might argue that on Netflix every second movie have a lot of sex scenes. Yes, must mostly with partial or implied nudity (think of all of these scenes with sex with bra on, waking up clothed, or L-shaped sheets). At the same…

>> It saddens me that we live in a culture in which movies showing violence (including torture and murder) are acceptable, whereas ones showing consensual, non-pornographic intercourse - aren’t.

I just remembered accidentally seeing the US version of the movie "Kingsman: The Secret Service". I was surprised that one scene was cut out - naked ass of a young woman. The scene of brutal massacre where dozens of people are killed and maimed was left there. I still do not get how this came to be. People usually talk about puritanism and such but this does not seem to explain it - why should any culture consider it desirable to watch brutality but not nudity or something sexual?

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