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Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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The overseas market, specifically China, probably plays a much bigger role in self-censoring cinema than most people are comfortable admitting. Nobody wants good cinema, movies that dig into and challenge the human condition. They want money. In the last 20-30 years, we have seen the strip-mall-ization of the movie theater. Every city has at least one, they all look the same, and drop in at any time and you'll see th…

On the China thing: Why don't we let the ones who want to censor movies just do it on their own instead of precensoring them? This used to happen a lot. Is it really that expensive to cut out a few shots or use compositing to obscure things? I believe it's still done for so-called in-flight entertainment.

Good question. To clarify, in China any company or business enterprise has to have political officers sprinkled throughout. This makes sure that the organization is following the party line appropriately.

So when I said the problem was China, I didn't mean the Chinese market, I meant that a huge amount of money currently being spent financing film entertainment comes from groups like this. They kill these kinds of things before they ever get financed.

Most folks don't talk about the money side of movies. It's nothing like talking about which star is in rehab or where the MCU is heading with its reboot. But at the end of the day, that's the thing driving content creation.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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The overseas market, specifically China, probably plays a much bigger role in self-censoring cinema than most people are comfortable admitting. Nobody wants good cinema, movies that dig into and challenge the human condition. They want money. In the last 20-30 years, we have seen the strip-mall-ization of the movie theater. Every city has at least one, they all look the same, and drop in at any time and you'll see th…

I don’t know if hollywood has ever been anything else. I watched a documentary recently on the action movies of the 80s and 90s [1]. The part that was eye opening was the interview of Mario Kassar, who produced some of my favorite movies as a teenager in the 90s: Rambo, Total Recall, T2, Basic Instinct, etc. He talks about what he puts in his films literally like a farmer talks about grain for his pigs.

It has always been primarily a business targeting the lowest possible common denominator of the largest possible audience. And as the developed world expanded, that denominator shrank. Hence everything Marvel now.

[1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8840400/

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Right-wingers complaining about there not being enough "sex" scenes in entertainment are so pathetic.

The fact is there are are MORE sex scenes now than there ever were in the 80s and 90s, it's just that they've migrated more to streaming TV series that are too sophisticated for right-wingers to be viewing them en masse.

Not to mention, of course, that there's also about 100x the availability of porn now, and Washington Free Beacon readers are no doubt consuming a lot of that, just like almost all of us are.

So really, this piece doesn't pass the laugh test, just like most right-wing social commentary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Free_Beacon

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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They've moved to TV shows... Hard to watch any (American) Netflix series without an unnecessary sex scene every 6-8 minutes.

I don't see too much nudity in Netflix shows. Which ones specifically are you thinking about? There are definitely plenty of "bra-on" sex scenes that cut away early in the act, but I don't think that's what the author is talking of.

I didn't mention nudity, so yeah I'm including non-nude scenes where that's obviously what's going on and it's not adding anything useful to the story.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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This article is just a bunch of anecdata. Has the proportion of theatrical releases containing sex scenes indeed declined in recent years? What about streaming releases? Neither of these questions is quantitatively answered. The “evidence” that sex scenes have become taboo because they embody the “male gaze” and are therefore problematic comes from some un-cited hypothetical tweet. Assuming this tweet is even real, i…

It's an opinion piece in the culture section of the Free Beacon - what kind of article were you expecting (beyond 'bunch of anecdata').

FWIW I found it a hugely entertaining, and spectacularly well written piece.

As to your concern about the un-cited hypothetical tweet, a) on my reading of the article it was very much NOT ascribing much evidence to this phenomenon, and b) your favourite search engine will quickly reveal your answers if you ask for 'Laura Mulvey male gaze'.

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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Could you give an example of unnecessary sex scenes? I watch netflix shows often enough and can't think of a show that had a unnecessary sex scenes every 6-8 minutes. The one "exception" that comes to mind with a lot of sex scenes are Sex Education and Sexify but for those shows the sex scenes are hardly unnecessary given the subject matter. I'm not trolling or trying to be argumentative here, I'm genuinely trying to…

This isn't really that hard. Bridgerton, for instance.

Now I’m going to watch that. Thanks!

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give an example of unnecessary sex scenes? I watch netflix shows often enough and can't think of a show that had a unnecessary sex scenes every 6-8 minutes. The one "exception" that comes to mind with a lot of sex scenes are Sex Education and Sexify but for those shows the sex scenes are hardly unnecessary given the subject matter. I'm not trolling or trying to be argumentative here, I'm genuinely trying to…

This isn't really that hard. Bridgerton, for instance.

How would you have told the story of Bridgerton without sex scenes?

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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That’s fascinating. Can you share some more information about this process, where filming happens before the script is done? It seems to be that there might be a parallel with software dev practices, ie waterfall model (write script, shoot script, edit film) and a more lean/agile model (writing, shooting and editing in whatever order it takes to build up the film)

Message #3 in this email thread: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/8SE7gM0xRkGI2taSIFBJhw/rensa-g...

So your reference is something else you wrote?

I'd love to see some other references if have any.

It's a bold claim (from the linked article) to say that:

> Black Widow was fully created with motion capture ("pre-visualization") before a script was even written

Re: Where Have All the Sex Scenes Gone?

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give an example of unnecessary sex scenes? I watch netflix shows often enough and can't think of a show that had a unnecessary sex scenes every 6-8 minutes. The one "exception" that comes to mind with a lot of sex scenes are Sex Education and Sexify but for those shows the sex scenes are hardly unnecessary given the subject matter. I'm not trolling or trying to be argumentative here, I'm genuinely trying to…

This isn't really that hard. Bridgerton, for instance.

It’s a show about horny confused teenagers being married off to each other in some alternative history. Sex scenes couldn’t be more relevant to this show.
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