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Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by djanogo » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 3:01 PM UTC

I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display.

iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if they let devices with fake components they will eventually tank resale value as people will not trust used iPhone.

I support right to repair, but ONLY with genuine parts with warranty. I want Apple to provide cheaper display replacement just like they do with batteries. As long as Amazon, EBay, and small repair shops keep selling fake iPhone displays and batteries there is no way out of this problem.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by dvdkon » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

djanogo wrote: post #21

I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display. iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if th…

I've also had a similar experience and definitely support giving users the ability to tell genuine parts from knockoffs. Howewer this has to be done to empower users, to help get us closer to a perfect market by giving buyers accurate information. Right now, it's just an extension of Apple's "it's our iPhone" mindset.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by kitsunesoba » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 4:48 PM UTC

djanogo wrote: post #21

I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display. iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if th…

It also presumably further discourages theft since it negatively impacts the ability to “part out” stolen devices to work around activation locks. Basically once the owner remotely locks the stolen device, it becomes almost worthless until it’s back in the owner’s possession.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by tfehring » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 5:23 AM UTC

kirb wrote: post #7

ksidn wrote: post #6

Every time an iphone is released we have to see this? I don't want to repair my phone. It's got a two year warranty, and after two years if it breaks I'll buy another.

Your own habits aren’t everyone’s habits. Not everyone is on a two-year upgrade cycle, especially when the iPhones are worth near or above $1000 now. Many people who own a smartphone only have it at all thanks to the affordable prices of refurbished (i.e. repaired) units on the second-hand market. It’s silly to say repair is unimportant when you consider how many tons of waste this creates - and how little is actuall…

The average American produces 5 pounds of garbage per day. The rest of the world isn’t that far behind. Granted, the chemicals in an iPhone are probably much worse for the environment than the paper, plastics, and food waste that make up the bulk of that number, but virtually all of the most harmful chemicals do get recycled. Phone waste would be a rounding error even if people upgraded their phones every month, let alone every couple years.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by agumonkey » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 7:42 AM UTC

oolonthegreat wrote: post #8

so freaking weird, even if you change only the cable between the display and the motherboard the phone knows and stops working properly. how do they even do that ? I assumed the cable doesn't have any logic or chips in it.

signal properties crafted in the cable ? (impedance..)

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by cute_boi » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 8:09 AM UTC

djanogo wrote: post #21

I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display. iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if th…

Actually its just an side advantage but deep down our heart we know apple is doing this for their own benefit not for consumers.

I agree with you that every parts must be substituted with genuine parts in case of component damage. I had tried to replace s6 battery and spent like $500 but alas I failed. After 4-5 month the battery gets swollen and the backcover gets damaged costing me more. So I had to dump it and I am never going to buy any Samsung shits.

I got k20 pro and I hope I can get genuine battery for it after few years.

Further such things prevents theft which is a huge problem imo. I think apple should provide user to switch these display but it should warn that the part is genuine or not, just in case.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by LeoPanthera » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 8:16 AM UTC

oolonthegreat wrote: post #8

so freaking weird, even if you change only the cable between the display and the motherboard the phone knows and stops working properly. how do they even do that ? I assumed the cable doesn't have any logic or chips in it.

I think the cable probably does have logic in it.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by nguyenkien » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 8:29 AM UTC

cute_boi wrote: post #26

djanogo wrote: post #21

I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display. iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if th…

Actually its just an side advantage but deep down our heart we know apple is doing this for their own benefit not for consumers. I agree with you that every parts must be substituted with genuine parts in case of component damage. I had tried to replace s6 battery and spent like $500 but alas I failed. After 4-5 month the battery gets swollen and the backcover gets damaged costing me more. So I had to dump it and I a…

So you bought counterfeit battery and then blame it on Samsung?

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by massysett » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 8:31 AM UTC

tfehring wrote: post #24

kirb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your own habits aren’t everyone’s habits. Not everyone is on a two-year upgrade cycle, especially when the iPhones are worth near or above $1000 now. Many people who own a smartphone only have it at all thanks to the affordable prices of refurbished (i.e. repaired) units on the second-hand market. It’s silly to say repair is unimportant when you consider how many tons of waste this creates - and how little is actuall…

The average American produces 5 pounds of garbage per day. The rest of the world isn’t that far behind. Granted, the chemicals in an iPhone are probably much worse for the environment than the paper, plastics, and food waste that make up the bulk of that number, but virtually all of the most harmful chemicals do get recycled. Phone waste would be a rounding error even if people upgraded their phones every month, let…

When I see these “xx pounds of garbage per day” figures, I always wonder if it includes everything that went into producing my garbage, or just what’s in my garbage can. For example, when I throw out a pair of jeans, does this “xx pounds” figure include the fabric that the jeans manufacturer wasted.

Point being, given the enormous amount of raw materials it takes to make a phone, and the environmental damage that comes from extracting them, I wonder if it’s a good idea to be cavalier and see it as a “rounding error.”

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

#30

Post by account-5 » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

Yet more reasons why I won't give apple any of my money.

I can only see one benefit of this to the consumer. If you maybe happen to be a target of some spy agency who manage to get your phone and need to drop some component into it to spy on you, that isnt going to be easy now. /s

Genuinely no need for this other than making apple more money.