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Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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So, cash out right now?

I cannot recommend selling stolen property, whether to pay taxes on the ill gotten gain or to evade taxes. The government considers these assets either commodities (CFTC) or securities (SEC), so prosecution is straightforward.

“Theft” is a legal phenomena so let’s not get ahead of ourselves and declare the relevant digital assets as “stolen”.

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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post #23

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how was his suggestion any less fraudulent if the intent is to cash out and not return the money

I was wondering the same thing.

One is against crypto people. According to HN morality, cryptocurrency is wrong so wrong+wrong = right.

The other is against a government. According to HN morality, governments are right, so wrong+right = wrong.

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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I cannot recommend selling stolen property, whether to pay taxes on the ill gotten gain or to evade taxes. The government considers these assets either commodities (CFTC) or securities (SEC), so prosecution is straightforward.

What makes it stolen property? If the smart contract allowed it…

The sender did not mean to send it, making it misappropriation or unjust enrichment.

Edit: (Re Revlon)

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/23/1019909860/banque-worms (NPR piece on the Revlon incident)

> Elisabeth de Fontenay is a professor at Duke University's law school, and she used to be a corporate lawyer.

> DE FONTENAY: When payments are made, for example, from banks to individuals like all of us in error, we have to give it back. And in fact, if we don't give it back, the banks actually will come after you. They will sue you, and sometimes they will bring criminal cases against you.

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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How is it fraud if the smart contract allowed it? Actually curious what makes it fraud. Just because one group wants the money back?

Lawful intention. What the smart contract dictates isn’t necessarily the final authority, but what the intent was (per legal interpretation of state contract law).

smart contracts are actually legally contracts (nor all that smart.)

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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Hmm turns out trustless and decentralised might not be the best model for all financial infrastructure.

Rai Stones worked really well, for a long time. Well, except for the one that fell off the outrigger.

I thought it worked even better because you didn't actually have to move it anymore.

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it fraud if the smart contract allowed it? Actually curious what makes it fraud. Just because one group wants the money back?

Lawful intention. What the smart contract dictates isn’t necessarily the final authority, but what the intent was (per legal interpretation of state contract law).

Code is law! No wait.. not like that!

The crypto evangelist mental gymnastics never cease to amaze me

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes it stolen property? If the smart contract allowed it…

The sender did not mean to send it, making it misappropriation or unjust enrichment. Edit: (Re Revlon) https://www.npr.org/2021/07/23/1019909860/banque-worms (NPR piece on the Revlon incident) > Elisabeth de Fontenay is a professor at Duke University's law school, and she used to be a corporate lawyer. > DE FONTENAY: When payments are made, for example, from banks to individuals like all of us in error, we have to gi…

Look at the Citibank Revlon case from last year [0]. In a clerical error, Citi sent $900m to a bunch of hedge funds, related to some Revlon debt. It asked for it back. It got about $400m. It sued for the other $500m… and lost in court.

I’m not saying this is identical to that case, which depended upon New York law. But it is far from clear-cut and I think you are being way too confident in your view, since nothing like this has ever appeared in court.

[0] the decision: https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rrBrQQPB...

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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This bug happened to the crypto project Compound. I work for a crypto company that has a DeFi product that uses Compound. So I've been deep into following this since it started. The funds sent to users were "rewards" for using the platform. Compound didn't actually lose any user funds, it was Compound's "governance token" that was given out. Although user funds were not affected, billions of dollars have been pulled…

Wow, really sounds like this is the signal to everyone that Compound is too incompetent to be in the Dunning-Krugerrand pyramid scheme market.

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lawful intention. What the smart contract dictates isn’t necessarily the final authority, but what the intent was (per legal interpretation of state contract law).

smart contracts are actually legally contracts (nor all that smart.)

I think you're missing a 'not'.

Re: Crypto CEO threatens customers after mistakenly sending them millions

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This bug happened to the crypto project Compound. I work for a crypto company that has a DeFi product that uses Compound. So I've been deep into following this since it started. The funds sent to users were "rewards" for using the platform. Compound didn't actually lose any user funds, it was Compound's "governance token" that was given out. Although user funds were not affected, billions of dollars have been pulled…

Hey can you elaborate on how to claim?

I deposited some assets on Compound a year ago and I think I got the initial COMP airdrop

Does this make me eligible for this glitch? There wasnt anything in the UI suggesting so, but I can skip the frontend and use the smart contract directly, with hex or bytecode if necessary

Just not sure what to look for

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