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Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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This version inflation thing is getting a bit out of hand...I'm using Firefox 5 right now, I don't feel any difference from Firefox 4.

The problem with using that metric is that the "feel" of a program is directly related to the UI changes that the version employs. You could change absolutely nothing bug and feature wise, but do a UI redesign and the new version would feel like it was updated a whole bunch.

Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

#22

This version inflation thing is getting a bit out of hand...I'm using Firefox 5 right now, I don't feel any difference from Firefox 4.

The problem with using that metric is that the "feel" of a program is directly related to the UI changes that the version employs. You could change absolutely nothing bug and feature wise, but do a UI redesign and the new version would feel like it was updated a whole bunch.

What's wrong with subversion system for bug fixes? So, you mean they fixed so many bugs, improved so many back-end features in Firefox 4, which perfectly justifies a version jump from 4 to 7? I seem to remember old days Firefox 2 to Firefox 3 took forever...

Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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I'm reminded of MySQL. "You don't have transaction support" "Sure we do - just handle it in your code" "But I need transactions" "No you don't! That's just overarchitecting!" "No really I do" "Look how fast we are!" ... years later... "Hey look at MySQL - We have transactions! Look how great we are!" etc. I like FF. I use it. But every time there's some comment about FF memory, we usually see a bunch of people coming…

> I like FF. I use it. But every time there's some comment > about FF memory, we usually see a bunch of people coming > out saying they never see FF memory issues, the OP must be > doing something wrong or have a bad system, they use their > computer non-stop for 4 years without ever even seeing FF > slow down, etc. That's because complaints about large memory use in Firefox fall into two camps, generally: 1. "I left…

> I have just over 70 tabs open...

I'm really curious about this as once I get to about 10 tabs my brain starts wanting to close them to get back to something it can manage. This is either because I'm dumb (highly likely) or because you have a different usage style than I (also likely).

So if you don't mind elaborating, how do you get to where you have that many tabs open?

Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like FF. I use it. But every time there's some comment > about FF memory, we usually see a bunch of people coming > out saying they never see FF memory issues, the OP must be > doing something wrong or have a bad system, they use their > computer non-stop for 4 years without ever even seeing FF > slow down, etc. That's because complaints about large memory use in Firefox fall into two camps, generally: 1. "I left…

> I have just over 70 tabs open... I'm really curious about this as once I get to about 10 tabs my brain starts wanting to close them to get back to something it can manage. This is either because I'm dumb (highly likely) or because you have a different usage style than I (also likely). So if you don't mind elaborating, how do you get to where you have that many tabs open?

as a potentially different use case, I use my tabs as a stack for reading things (where I push a link when I see it), and will then read through them all in a serial fashion, closing things I'm 'done' with. this generally leads to me having reference and 'to read' tabs open, in addition to things I like to have on hand (i.e. emails, workflowy, HN). this generally adds up to 15-20 tabs in my main window on average, going up to as much as 30-40.

Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like FF. I use it. But every time there's some comment > about FF memory, we usually see a bunch of people coming > out saying they never see FF memory issues, the OP must be > doing something wrong or have a bad system, they use their > computer non-stop for 4 years without ever even seeing FF > slow down, etc. That's because complaints about large memory use in Firefox fall into two camps, generally: 1. "I left…

> I have just over 70 tabs open... I'm really curious about this as once I get to about 10 tabs my brain starts wanting to close them to get back to something it can manage. This is either because I'm dumb (highly likely) or because you have a different usage style than I (also likely). So if you don't mind elaborating, how do you get to where you have that many tabs open?

I've got six virtual desktops with two monitors. When I'm doing web development, I have one window per screen, which usually means one window of tabs connected to my dev server, and one window of tabs for each framework/language I'm working with. For example, I was working on a WordPress plugin with JQuery, so I had a dozen tabs open on the WordPress function reference, and another dozen tabs open with JQuery stuff. Then I've got a virtual desktop with my email on one screen and Hacker News, etc. on the other one.

Finally I have two blank desktops that tend to get eaten up by tabs that I use when people come into my office asking questions that I don't know the precise answer to off the top of my head.

But yes, on a single desktop about 12 tabs is my limit. And when I get over 4 full browser windows I start to get antsy and know that I can't possibly keep focused on everything I'm doing.

Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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I'm using Firefox 5.0.1, I just clicked "Check for updates" and it said I'm up-to-date. Shouldn't 6 come out first? Isn't it too early to talk about 7? I think this is bad marketing from Mozilla, they're totally confusing people.

Mozilla isn't marketing anything here. A journalist dug up information from a personal blog and the developer wiki.

The problem is that those charts comparing memory usage all refer to future versions, so I have no idea how it'll compare to 5, the current version that I need to restart every 3 days to clean its memory usage.

Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have just over 70 tabs open... I'm really curious about this as once I get to about 10 tabs my brain starts wanting to close them to get back to something it can manage. This is either because I'm dumb (highly likely) or because you have a different usage style than I (also likely). So if you don't mind elaborating, how do you get to where you have that many tabs open?

I've got six virtual desktops with two monitors. When I'm doing web development, I have one window per screen, which usually means one window of tabs connected to my dev server, and one window of tabs for each framework/language I'm working with. For example, I was working on a WordPress plugin with JQuery, so I had a dozen tabs open on the WordPress function reference, and another dozen tabs open with JQuery stuff.…

> Finally I have two blank desktops that tend to get eaten up by tabs that I use when people come into my office asking questions that I don't know the precise answer to off the top of my head.

Why do you keep the tabs open after you've answered their question?

Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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I'm using Firefox 5.0.1, I just clicked "Check for updates" and it said I'm up-to-date. Shouldn't 6 come out first? Isn't it too early to talk about 7? I think this is bad marketing from Mozilla, they're totally confusing people.

Firefox 7 isn't even a real release. You'll have to wait for 8. The new versioning system uses the Fibonacci sequence, so that after 8, the next "real" release will be 13, and then 21 etc. This is why you're currently stuck on 5.

Satire much?

Re: Firefox 7 will use up to 50% less memory

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I'm reminded of MySQL. "You don't have transaction support" "Sure we do - just handle it in your code" "But I need transactions" "No you don't! That's just overarchitecting!" "No really I do" "Look how fast we are!" ... years later... "Hey look at MySQL - We have transactions! Look how great we are!" etc. I like FF. I use it. But every time there's some comment about FF memory, we usually see a bunch of people coming…

> I like FF. I use it. But every time there's some comment > about FF memory, we usually see a bunch of people coming > out saying they never see FF memory issues, the OP must be > doing something wrong or have a bad system, they use their > computer non-stop for 4 years without ever even seeing FF > slow down, etc. That's because complaints about large memory use in Firefox fall into two camps, generally: 1. "I left…

> Chrome becomes very unhappy under such circumstances (since it uses about ~100 MiB per tab)

You must be looking at very media heavy sites, then. Looking at Chrome's task manager (shift-escape opens it), my per-tab memory usage ranges between ~2.4MB (HN pages) to ~44MB (a youtube video). The root process is using 120MB, GPU process 50MB, and Flash 94MB. So, in total, for 20 tabs I'm using 545MB, or 27.25MB/tab. A far cry from "~100 MiB per tab".

Note that I'm on Windows 7 x64; while you may be entirely correct about Chrome on your platform of choice, it sounds like FUD to me.

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