Any foreign corporations breaking EU law should not be allowed to operate in the EU.
Google Admits Handing over European User Data to US Intelligence Agencies
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Re: Google Admits Handing over European User Data to US Intelligence Agencies
#72It's not clear to me that these laws are mutually exclusive.
1. "the USA PATRIOT ACT, which states that companies incorporated in the United States must hand over data administered by their foreign subsidiaries if requested."
2. "European Union legislation requires companies to protect the personal information of EU citizens"
It could be that the US gov't requested data on non-EU citizens which happened to be stored in EU data-centers.
Re: Google Admits Handing over European User Data to US Intelligence Agencies
#73We can't get Diaspora soon enough!
Re: Google Admits Handing over European User Data to US Intelligence Agencies
#74There's a huge need for people to start drifting to non-US based companies for everything that has to do with cloud storage or data, either that or force Google and such to offer solutions with end to end encryption that they have no access to.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I'm an open critic of Google I don't think in this case its a breach of that motto. Maybe a failure to disclose obligations to users. Most people would understand the real culprit is the government. Microsoft and Amazon space there data centres geo graphically for a few reasons, and this is one of them.
I think the 'evil' part here is in this case the failure to disclose the fact(s). The law's evil as well, agreed. The government did evil things passing it, in my world. But that doesn't seem to be the reason for the 'Google did evil' claim here.
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Re: Google Admits Handing over European User Data to US Intelligence Agencies
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I'm an open critic of Google I don't think in this case its a breach of that motto. Maybe a failure to disclose obligations to users. Most people would understand the real culprit is the government. Microsoft and Amazon space there data centres geo graphically for a few reasons, and this is one of them.
I think the 'evil' part here is in this case the failure to disclose the fact(s). The law's evil as well, agreed. The government did evil things passing it, in my world. But that doesn't seem to be the reason for the 'Google did evil' claim here.
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Re: Google Admits Handing over European User Data to US Intelligence Agencies
#77This is a very real problem and provides case in point as to why everyone needs to start using client-side encryption for their data and communications. In some cases this is still currently impractical to do on a day to day basis but in others such as Email, Social Networking or Instant Messaging it is not[1][2]. [1] I'm involved with a company that recently launched a free tool that provides transparent client-side…
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Re: Google Admits Handing over European User Data to US Intelligence Agencies
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am concerned that they broke it, and seem to have tried to hide this. By, uh, mentioning it to journalists? There's a difference between hiding something and simply not announcing it loudly to the world.
> There's a difference between hiding something and simply not announcing it loudly to the world But not a huge difference. It's something that would definitely be of interest.
Hiding it would be not telling it to journalists... It's a huge difference.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There's a difference between hiding something and simply not announcing it loudly to the world But not a huge difference. It's something that would definitely be of interest.
Hiding it would be not telling it to journalists... It's a huge difference.
I don't think it's huge. Compare "Honey I lied about cheating on you" with "Honey, I didn't tell you that I was cheating on you". It's a fine line when it's information that you know is relevant.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is that such an "agreement" would have been reached by one side only... The law has been taking much less of a backseat in Europe when it comes to security and anti-terror. Also I find it hard to believe that the EU would just give up its data protection laws just to please Americans and allow the enforcement of an American law.
Which is exactly what the EU did with bank and flightdata. The EU will make a bit of a fight and then simply back down. Like they always do. Which is possibly preferable for every US-company which thus do not have to challenge your agencies.
Which is not what they always do. Microsoft got some nice fines from the EU, I think more than once even.