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Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by yyyk »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #179
yyyk wrote: post #176

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That doesn't make any sense. The reason regulation is suggested is effect on society, and the effect is the same regardless of the engineer's personal status. An engineer designing bridges is liable regardless of his salary, and same must apply to a programmer. Besides, it's trivial to launder everything if you give such an out. The regulation can apply equally to everyone, or don't expect it to go anywhere at all.

> The reason regulation is suggested is effect on society, and the effect is the same regardless of the engineer's personal status. Amateur programmers are not professional engineers. A profession is an activity people are compensated for. If you're not being compensated, it's not professional work. If it's not professional, you should not be held liable for it. Someone publishing a personal project should not be hel…

>I'm not an engineer but I can draw up a bridge right now. Would it stand or collapse? Who knows. I think it looks nice though so I post it online. Then an actual engineer sees my drawing and makes an actual bridge out of it.

Right, it's not the publishing but the use which is proscribed - same applies for engineering. But that would apply regardless of whether the software you're using is open-source or not, and regardless of how much you're paid.

A social-media site operated by an amateur in the bedroom being paid nothing and using only open-source software would still be liable under any sensible and realistic regulation.

>>Besides, it's trivial to launder everything if you give such an out. >That would require companies to not only refuse to compensate their programmers for their labor but to also open source their source code. Doesn't seem trivial to me.

You can compensate for code with this regulation, it's not difficult. e.g. create a non-profit, and pay the non-profit which pays the programmer. So long as the programmer is one step removed from you it's fine.

Open source isn't much of an impediment either, just have a suitably restricted licence. Or don't, it's not an impediment for many types of businesses.

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Post by gundmc »

tablespoon wrote: post #24
ub wrote: post #21

Good thread here that provides a counter-balance. https://twitter.com/nireyal/status/1443882540868063241?s=21

> Good thread here that provides a counter-balance. https://twitter.com/nireyal/status/1443882540868063241?s=21 By the author of Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Eyal : > In 2014 Eyal published his first book, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products, which became a Wall Street Journal best seller.[12][13] The title reflects Eyal's idea of the "hooked model", which ai…

Good context, but it would be better if you could refute his take instead of attack his past.

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Post by numair »

edgyquant wrote: post #175
numair wrote: post #117

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Yeah, what this article doesn’t talk about is the pretend-FBI that Facebook employs as its security team. They go out of their way to intimidate employees and make them think that Facebook is some quasi-governmental institution where leaks will have you end up in a situation similar to Julian Assange. (Feel free to say hi to those losers, because they’re definitely reading this thread.)

While I agree with a lot of what you’re saying you seem to be a former disgruntled employee and so you don’t seem to be bias free here. You’re also doing a lot of insinuating throughout this thread that were supposed to not question and take your word for.

I thank myself every day that I was never an employee of Facebook. I remember being in boarding school and having kids point to others and say, “he thinks he’s so cool but we all know where his family made their money,” and I never wanted to leave future generations with that baggage.

As for the rest, well... Unfortunately Thiel-Gawker means you’ll never get reporters to give you the factual run-down you need, because they’re scared of being sued. So, until there’s a court record, which will inevitably happen at some point, you’re stuck with insinuations for which you should do your own homework.

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Post by hef19898 »

dylan604 wrote: post #164
hef19898 wrote: post #154

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Would it be OK to settle for "we have mass media figured out better than social media"?

Again, I don't think we do. Manipulation of the masses via information is a very easy thing to do. You put someone in a positon of "authority", and people will just fall in line with their views. The vast percentage of people do not want to think about certain things and will just believe what the person in a position of authority says, especially if it is already in the direction of some of their other core beliefs.

Sounds reasonable, I think.

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Post by raydev »

StriverGuy wrote: post #124
Nextgrid wrote: post #79

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> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company I don't want to defend Facebook, but this is not specific to Facebook. We have legitimized the modern concept of targeted advertising and Facebook just happens to play the game perfectly. Facebook is not 100% fault here (in fact there are others in this space). The fault is that we don't have regulation against something that is clearly detrimental to society.…

Facebook doesn't just play the game, they are the game. There is no other ad delivery platform as influential to teens and young adults. Full stop.

Teens and young adults are just as likely to be on TikTok or Snapchat as IG. The hyperfocus on Facebook (the company, kids really don't use Facebook the app) seems misguided.

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Post by spectramax »

sekh60 wrote: post #73
FDSGSG wrote: post #49

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How do you define "full consequences"?

Corporate death penalty plus prison time for relevant people. How wide to cast the net would have to be worked out.

I thought we, the liberals, are mostly aligned that non-violent climes should not be punishable by prison time.

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Post by da_big_ghey »

tablespoon wrote: post #24
ub wrote: post #21

Good thread here that provides a counter-balance. https://twitter.com/nireyal/status/1443882540868063241?s=21

> Good thread here that provides a counter-balance. https://twitter.com/nireyal/status/1443882540868063241?s=21 By the author of Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Eyal : > In 2014 Eyal published his first book, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products, which became a Wall Street Journal best seller.[12][13] The title reflects Eyal's idea of the "hooked model", which ai…

There is no apologia, there are many other habit-forming products we can use, television, sugar, others are used by children in many places and they self regulate.

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Post by da_big_ghey »

ecf wrote: post #46
tablespoon wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Good thread here that provides a counter-balance. https://twitter.com/nireyal/status/1443882540868063241?s=21 By the author of Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Eyal : > In 2014 Eyal published his first book, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products, which became a Wall Street Journal best seller.[12][13] The title reflects Eyal's idea of the "hooked model", which ai…

The person writes a book about hijacking human psychology for more clicks and then goes on to state how it’s our responsibility to control our use. What does he want us to do, re-wire our brains on demand?

This is like saying some person can not quit eating sugar because it "hijack human psychology". Or anything similar. So I suppose ban sugar. A "re wired brain" can still stop using it, it only takes more willpower.

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Post by da_big_ghey »

yoz-y wrote: post #22
tablespoon wrote: post #18

> Facebook annotated the reports, appearing to downplay the results. Next to one slide in the research that said “teens who struggle with mental health say Instagram makes it worse,” the company added that the headline was imprecise. Instead, it wrote, “The headline should be clarified to be: ‘Teens who have lower life satisfaction more likely to say Instagram makes their mental health or the way they feel about them…

I know that angst you teen is a trope but where I was most teens were quite happy. School ends early, plenty of time and zero responsibilities. You can just spend most of time loitering. Also hangover passes super quickly so you don’t waste a whole day after a party.

I work since grade 6... last free years were in elemntary school. No money or time for drinking, advanced classes take extra time and work the rest plus some school clubs for building resume to get better college entrances. Teens years are not always without responsibility and with free time, children have been working since millenia past, idea that children must be carefree is a new thing and not true.

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Post by effingwewt »

dylan604 wrote: post #178
genericacct wrote: post #173

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You didn't use the radio or TV in bed or in between classes, on the bus (ok maybe you used radio on the bus). I would say FB's reaches deeper into our lives than previous media did.

>You didn't use the radio or TV in bed This might be a cultural thing, but it is not uncommon to have radios/TVs in the bedroom.

Not only that, but tv and radio have done more than their fair share of damage. I remember 'heroine chic' a la Ally McBeal, had a sister deal with it anorexia over it.

They have been evil.

Facebook and Instagram have been so much worse it would have been inconceivable to me had I not seen it with my own eyes.

Youtube has done its share too, with exploitative kids videos and every kid wanting to become a youtuber.

We need regulation on all of this shit 20 years ago.

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