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Re: U.S. declares more than 20 species extinct after exhaustive searches

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Post by KETpXDDzR » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 7:33 PM UTC

Two large reasons for the unnatural death of birds: Windows and feral cats [0]. In Australia, the government is hunting down feral cats to protect their biodiversity [1]. The cat lobby is very strong in many countries, including the US. Because of that, they stopped killing feral cats and use ineffective[2] techniques like TNR (trap, neuter, release). I can understand the fans of cats, they are cute lovely animals. And I think voting against killing feral cats is caused by a pseudo-moral of "killing cats is bad" and "cats are more valuable to me than wild animals". In the end, feral cats are an invasive species in most parts of the world. And feral cats surely don't have a nice life in comparison to the live of a house cat.

[0] https://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/causes-of-bird-mor...

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/australias-cat...

[2] https://abcbirds.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/The-Evidence...

Re: U.S. declares more than 20 species extinct after exhaustive searches

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Post by exporectomy » Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:59 AM UTC

burnished wrote: post #223

exporectomy wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're mostly on islands so it's very unlikely they matter at all outside of their island. If Hawaii had never been discovered, we wouldn't have to worry about losing them. I live in a country filled with endangered "native" species but after I grew up, I learned that many of them are basically the same as common species in nearby countries, so similar that even the experts keep disagreeing on whether they're the sa…

Do you believe that the process will slow? You seem to think that losing a couple species is fine. Have you thought about where this leads to, unchecked? Like, you don't lose 'crows, fucking all of them' except by losing a subspecie at a time.

I think it's already slowed. We've stopped completely disregarding conservation and now it's a factor in any major works project that might disrupt the environment.

Re: U.S. declares more than 20 species extinct after exhaustive searches

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Post by exporectomy » Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 6:55 PM UTC

ogaitnas wrote: post #151

exporectomy wrote: post #141

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No. You've been indoctrinated to believe that environmentalism is like a religion so that you're a bad person for being an infidel and must not question the flimsy claims that the authorities make.

So much bigotry and ad hominem in this comment yet you have the gall to accuse me of the same. Environmentalism is nothing like religion - it's science based on empirical evidence and not on blind faith. I struggle to see what is so flimsy about the findings of this article.

No, science doesn't show us that efitz is a horrible person.